especially as a pediatrician, to see this, and look, in 20 years as a pediatrician, i met with lots and lots of parents who were anxious about vaccines, and we sat down and had conversations and built trust and we got those children vaccinated. this is a whole different animal. and what i would love to see, frankly, is for everybody who's worried about the vaccine to just get in touch with their doctor. talk to their trusted physician who they developed a relationship with and get the information from them. not from crazy online. >> that is good advice. thanks to both of you for being here. dr. kavita patel, former white house policy director and msnbc contributor. does good public health policy, we'll talk to the house democrat in charge of keeping -- that's next. f keeping -- that's next.