suddenly discover you were the nobel prize winners? >> yes, it was pretty incredible to be woken up at 5:00 a.m. >> you have no hint it's coming. people don't know how the nobel works. >> no hint whatsoever. >> there are no nominee. let's go to what bill gates just said because it's one of the central elements of your book. the republican argument is, of course, you must not tax anyone more than we're taxing them. if you tax these rich executives more they'll just work less. it will be a disincentive to work if we tax them at the highest level. there's bill gates. there's no one who's worked harder than him who said, no, no, no, there is much more room to tax us at the highest end. >> there certainly is, and if we taxed the rich more, they would work just as hard. think about football players. in many cases there are caps on their salaries and that doesn't stop them from trying to win. >> you compare -- and that's what's so fascinating about this. this is not just yourm opinion