and if any were pardoned they could be turned around the next day and testify against president trump and plead the fifth. did he not pardon them because they would hurt him? >> the self interest really seems to be a big issue here. >> this would hurt him. >> and all of the talk about pardons, this isn't bed, bath and beyond and you can't say a pardon for all time and wrap yourself in it and the nixon example is interesting, you have to write it down, so your point, if you start writing down what your pardon is, obstruction of a proceeding, a plan inside the government to do selective prosecution, as we were discussing earlier, to abuse investigative findings, those are all things coming out of the white house of the oval office of donald trump and writing it