michael cohen and how those were entered into the books. even though he's signing these checks, the question is how much does he know about how the accountant is ano tating them, as legal fee, as opposed to payment of hush money or blackmail money or whatever you want to call it. and, so, you have to first get to his knowledge of, as the ceo of a major corporation that is making payments like this all of the time, is that something he even knows what he's doing. and then when you then try to connect it to that target offense, one of the interesting things here is bragg has not -- well he said it could be any number of things. >> which law. let me slow you down. we'll get to that. >> yeah. >> right. we'll get to that. you made two points. let's deal with your first point. one defense is just the lawyers on behalf of the defendant saying, hey, how are you going to prove that he was in on this notation. i have a little bit of sound
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