he would consider a no-fly zone to be participation in a conflict. that would mean, nato versus russia. with us tonight to discuss, he's a 30 year navy iterant who retired with four stars on his shoulders. he's the former head of the u.s. southern command and former supreme allied commander of nato. his new book is 2034. a novel of the next world war. now on paperback. admiral, i'm so glad you are with us, because it's frustrating. you walk in line to get coffee and you hear people saying, don't we care? why don't we just go with the no-fly zone? can you explain for us would have tons if a no-fly zone gets established? >> right, steph, for the last two years everyone has been an epidemiologist, and currently everyone's an expert on no-fly zone's. i actually established a no-fly zone. i put one up in 2011 over libya in the war on libya, if you remember that, about ten years ago.
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