and look, i think we do need to step back and there is risk of escalation. i agree that one of the hoax here in the unfolding circumstances of people around middle putin and the military. we'll see the futility of what he's doing. but we have not invaded as a country, we are democracy. if we are going to -- the american people have to come along with that. the united states congress has to have word on that. i just think that president biden thus far obviously thinks that the risk of where that escalation could lead when you're talking about really a person vladimir putin who clearly is a kind of the man in the high castle here he, someone that seems increasingly isolated. yes, what he's doing is a piece of his own 20-year process of escalation. but i think the united states would have to have a significant internal debate as a democracy before we could consider a step like taking a direct military strike aggressions. >> vladimir putin isolated from
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