the, stuff there is a lot of optimism that senator manchin is coming around, that members of the more moderate part of the republican party are coming to some kind of different voting rights proposals, and we can get some bills on the table. >> and people have put obvious proposals out there, that if you're concerned about your precious filibuster, just carve -- you can keep the filibuster. but mark, this is a little inside and outside the beltway. stuff the average american doesn't care about the filibuster. the potential damage that everybody at the capitol hill is worried about them getting rid of the filibuster, i don't think it's a real thing out there in america. >> ali, i've done campaigns for over 30 years and more of a than 100 of them. and not once in 30 years have i ever heard voters say, please protect the filibuster. nobody outside washington has an idea of what it is. it's the most inside washington thing there is. and listen, the practical reality is, don's, right i
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