here. remember, since he admitted that trump repaid michael cohen for the stormy daniels hush money payment he has been causing problems for this white house. but trump tore a variety of reasons seems to every time he's asked about him seems to call him the greatest mayor that new york city ever had and a great lawyer, and it might just be that he's too close to lose at this point for trump. but there's no signs he's doing the usual i barely know him shtick with giuliani. >> katie benner, people were surprised at the kind of supplicant the attorney general turned into. but then the subject of spying came up. people were stunned by the answer. i want to play the exchange. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i think spying on a political campaign is a big deal. >> you're not suggesting, though, that spying occurred? >> i don't -- well, i guess you