what we are able to hear what he says. just before we run out of time, we need to turn to rake and bring in ukraine. the white house is making a major effort, rick, to get european allies on board, keep them on board in this latest standoff with russia over ukraine. you worked in the state department in 2014 when the original invasion up, and the crimea annexation, barack obama's approach. how different is the situation now in terms of how european and nato allies are responding? are they showing more unity today than they showed in 2014? >> i think the biden administration has done an excellent job of hurting the cats of nato and our european allies. the difficulty is that it -- france feels a little different than england does, but what's the biden administration has done in general, anthony blinken has done in particular, it's just a untouched with european allies. so not tried to leave too much room between the u. s. and nato. and because one of
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