attempt to overthrow putin. >> tell me more widely about the wagner group. they have a foothold on the -- very much involved in syria, but links to, africa's staff raqqa as well? >> yes, absolutely. so, their classic state run mercenary, so allow in syria, and then into africa, to do the states bidding, but then a deniable market, and they were operating deep into syria, and you know, not formally under the -- and then into africa, where they have been a major player in sudan and elsewhere, not of the full behest of president, putin but fundamentally for, prigozhin the mercenaries and it's about generating wealth. >> okay, what is the future for the defense minister?

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