up for the talks in january, including that white house delegation and nato in geneva next month? what are you going to be looking for that would suggest to you that, again, more of an escalation of a threat or more keeping the focus on diplomacy? >> well, he is setting up for the talks. you know, we don't know which way he's going to go. i think he'll look at everything. he'll look at the western cohesion. right now i think any sanctions that would be imposed would probably not be so severe that i would get into the changes policy. i think he'll want to look at the arming of ukraine. he'll want to look at nato plans to reinforce poland and the baltic's, and he'll be interested in the talks and what kind of comprises the united states and the europeans are willing to put forward. you're not going to get a formal refusal to contemplate ukraine and nato. the bottom line, there are no plans to bring ukraine into nato
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