force expert. there are several different avenues for appeal. if you're just playing the odds, the likelihood is slim once you get into the appellate court. >> so, i'm wondering, when you put all the different sentences together, as you're saying, what are these people looking at as far as time in jail? >> life with or life without the possibility of parole. the georgia sentencing scheme for murder including malice murder and felony murder is pretty straightforward. and that's the way it is in a lot of jurisdictions. murder is usually an automatic life sentence. there isn't a lot of complicated sentencing guidelines to go through as if there were just a robbery or simpling a gaited assault. in which case you have to figure out the high and the low of the sentencing guidelines. this many months or that many months. here it's automatic. life is murder with or without the possibility of parole. >> and cal, you've been