telling the jury and instructing them that they can only use her testimony to impeach george anthony's credibility and that's it. nothing of trying to support oh, you know, he told her that it was an accident, then we might believe her and that might generate a doubt in the minds of the jury. >> part of this is that krystal testified about her relationship with george, that it was intimate. speaking to the point that you just brought up. can you dig into that for us? >> reporter: she said she had an intimate relationship and the problem is that george, i think the problem for george anthony right now in terms of his credibility and all of the statements he's made since this trial started is that two days ago, he denied having an affair. he also denied making these statements and telling her that he thought or he believed that this was an accident. so her testimony serves only to discredit what he said in the past. but the theory about the accident cannot be used to determine casey anthony's -- whether or not she's guilty or not. now, we just heard, richard, the entire anthony family starting with george anthony, cindy and then lee, testifying on the manner in which they buried the family pets, but the defense was trying to equate that method which is place the animal in a blanket or only in a plastic bag and then wrap it around with duct tape or packing tape. they're trying to equate that, of course, to the manner in which caylee was buried or at least found. we heard from the family yes, this is the way that we usually have done it, however, it doesn't only show for what the defense would like that george anthony tends to practice burials in this way. it also shows that casey anthony was exposed to that. so even if the defense wants to bring this to prove george anthony was the one to dispose of the body, casey also knows this method. >> this could be a key hour. they're on break right now. what might happen after this break? what's being thought of right now? >> reporter: i have to tell you, richard, that everybody around here is talking about casey taking the stand. we of course don't know if that's going to happen. experts have said over and over that if they are her defense team, they wouldn't allow her to do it. but judge perry has already said that he will give her that option. this is part of her right. so even if her defense disagrees with her taking the stand, she can still speak up and say no, i want to give my testimony of what happened. we don't know what's going to happen. >> thank you so much. so much happening there. let's bring in former prosecutor wendy murphy. wend y, we're seeing a longer than normal break right now. 1:30 is when they come on back. what do you think might be happening? will we see casey? >> well, let's be clear. whatever they're doing on their break, they are not likely to see casey at any time in this trial, much less upon their return. it could be that this really is the end of the defense case and the reason for the long break is that the prosecution is now readying its rebuttal case, which i'm sure will be exceedingly short. i'm not sure there will be a rebuttal by the defense. there could be but that would be even shorter. the case may well wrap up today. i want to say one thing about what was just said in george's testimony. first of all, this is an utter and complete sideshow because even if george lied, it has nothing to do with the case, okay? it's like asking him whether he was wearing sneakers or shoes on june 3rd and having him be caught in a lie about what kind of shoes he was wearing. it doesn't matter. i think george actually sort of fi finnessed it nicely. he said i did not have a romantic relationship with this woman. he didn't say i didn't have a booty call so there may well have been sex between them. he wasn't asked whether they had sex. he was asked whether it was romantic. i have no doubt that a woman whose name is kitten 101, whatever it is, her other name, there's no question in my mind they may have had sex. that doesn't make it romantic. but the whole big sideshow about george and this chick, irrelevant, makes me sick because i don't care. it tells me nothing about how this child died. >> wendy, listen to this piece of sound that was from a little bit earlier. >> i take it that you did not euthanize your own pets with chloroform. >> no, ma'am, we did not. >> did you put duct tape on any of the animals' faces prior to their burial? >> no, ma'am. >> all right. where were they going with this? >> look, obviously there's an attempt here to correlate the burial of animals with the technique used to bury caylee, but even if this family routinely buried hamsters and cats and guinea pigs with duct tape, again, it tells us nothing about how caylee died or for that matter, who killed her. you know, i think one of the funny pieces of this story, i really feel like i'm watching alice in wonderland when i watch this trial of the absurd. >> part of this is watching how george and cindy seem to be coming to the stand every other day. we have seen them both together, what, about a dozen times. >> yeah, i think on some level they have sympathy and they come across as credible and concerned and obviously they feel great compassion for their daughter even if they think she's a horrible mother and they certainly loved their grandchild. i think on some occasions, they're quite truthful and emotional at the right moments and other occasions, they're just big fat liars. the whole pizza story, both of them know they smelled a dead body in that trunk and both of them basically lied about it. not so much george under oath but back at the time. remember, he said i know decomposition, i smelled decomposition, then he was saying publicly right after that was discovered to the media, you know, it could have been pizza mixed with arm and hammer. they're both very compelling, sometimes credible, sometimes big fat liars. >> quite a court case, certainly. wendy murphy, thank you so much. 1:30 is when we expect them back in court. we will of course be watching that and have that for you. now to another important topic for you. new on the jobs front today, the labor department saying the number of people filing new claims for unemployment fell by just 1,000 last week. that's fresh evidence that the economy unfortunately is not generating new jobs fast enough. with nearly 14 million americans out of work, it should become or come as no surprise that a new cnbc poll finds that 55% rate the economy as poor. 37% say only fair this week, by the way, former president clinton and his global initiative unveil 14 initiatives to help jump-start the jobs market. one of clinton's ideas getting a lot of attention in the debt debate, closing corporate tax loop holes. clinton says cutting the loopholes here and tax rates, too, could jump start hiring as businesses start to spend some of the $2 trillion they have saved up so far. trying to get that 35% tax rate down by doing those things there. here's another idea. energy retrofitting. >> in america, you got about 7,000 jobs for every billion dollars spent in building retrofits and with unemployment in construction still about 25% nationwide, that's a pretty important fact. >> the empire state building, according to former president bill clinton, is one example that he made in "newsweek" that changed windows and heating systems, creating over 250 jobs, and then saving, lowering their energy bill by $4.4 million each year. he estimates they will recoup all of that investment they put into the building in five years. do this on buildings across the nation, he says, that will create one million jobs. retrofit homes as well by doing the things as simple as painting a roof white, therefore, it reflects heat and cuts your energy bills. that will create a second million jobs. jennifer granholm is the former democratic governor of michigan, she attended clinton's jobs brainstorming summit in chicago to talk to investors about clean energy. exciting ideas there and one of the ideas is about tax credits for those start-ups that theoretically create all the new jobs. is that very key to creating more opportunities for people to get work? >> richard, i think what you've got to do is make sure you have created a good business climate for businesses to stay in america because they are competing in a global economy. we as a nation are competing for those jobs and we have to create the climate for them to stay here. what does that mean? it means yes, you've got to have a fair tax structure. it also means providing them access to up-front capital so they can get their operations, their technology, in the ground. it also means creating a market for their products here in this country. for example, what some states have done and certainly what other countries have done is to say that as a nation, we're going to get 20% of our energy from renewable sources. that would create a market for clean energy products and that means that we would be putting people to work building those products. if we as a nation really want to have a manufacturing sector doing advanced manufacturing, building products, we should be creating a market for those products. those are some of the ideas that have come out of the clinton initiative. >> the state you lead actually led in battery manufacturing. did it benefit from some of these ideas that former president clinton is talking about? >> well, in fact, we are talking about the success stories across the country and the battery example is one of them. michigan, because of the partnership with the federal government through the recovery act, we were able to attract 17, actually 18 companies now to michigan to build the battery for the electric vehicle. we are the place where the first generation of vehicles were built. we want to be the place where car 2.0 is built and the batteries, the new kind of batteries, the lithium ion batteries, are batteries that will get the electric vehicle on the ground and that requires a lot of people being put to work, all kinds of jobs. 63,000 jobs have been committed to michigan to build that battery. >> the thinking is that the united states could produce up to 20 out of 50 of the batteries in 2015 if this program continues. i want to move to something else and that is the stimulus. $787 billion. one of the problems that former president clinton brought up was the approval process. it needs to be streamlined. >> totally agree. on all things. i would just say, i just led a panel on american success stories here at the clinton global initiative and to a person, all of the businesses were saying make it easy for us to locate here, don't make the permit approvals, and that's state, local and federal, be so long. the key in a global economy to being competitive is speed to market but if your permitting process takes 18 months for approval, it's ridiculous. so you can still have standards and permits but put them online, collapse the time, get it through the system so we can create jobs. >> more jobs. governor granholm, always a pleasure visiting with you. thank you so much for your time. >> likewise, richard. thanks for having me on. a bogus boarding pass arrest highlights the latest airport security gaffe. a 24-year-old nigerian man is in custody after he successfully flew from jfk airport in new york to l.a. without a valid boarding pass, and matching identification. the feds picked him up yesterday trying to do it again on a flight from l.a. to atlanta. our justice correspondent pete williams has all the details. wow. how did this happen? >> reporter: well, there were lapses here, as you say. two of them at that initial point where you go into the airport and show your government-issued i.d. and boarding pass. he didn't have a government-issued i.d. he had an i.d. from the university of michigan. you can still board a plane without a government-issued i.d. but if you don't have one, they're supposed to ask you additional questions and it turns out that the name on the i.d. did not match the boarding pass when he boarded the flight in new york. so that's the first problem. then again, he was able to board -- get on the airport concourse through one of those i.d. checkpoints in los angeles yesterday when he tried to take the flight to atlanta. so those are two tsa problems. then the third problem is at the virgin atlantic or rather virgin america gate checkpoint at jfk last friday, when he was able to board the flight even though he had never bought a ticket for that flight, he had a boarding pass that was for the same flight the earlier day, the day before, and it wasn't in his name. so you have all these problems and he was finally arrested. the fbi says when they arrested him, they searched one of the shopping bags that he had with him and he had at least ten other boarding passes in other people's names. i should say his name is naiobi, a nigerian. he has been arrested and charged with the federal offense of being a stowaway which is the charge they use when you try to get on a plane or even successfully get on a plane and having not bought a ticket. >> when you give us all these details, a lot of folks are probably thinking what is the tsa doing, what are they saying to explain this? >> reporter: well, they are saying that number one, he of course acknowledged the obvious fact that they missed the mismatch here, but that he did go through the regular screening so that he did go through the physical screening both times, both when he got on the plane from new york to los angeles and again when he got down the concourse in lax to try to board the plane to atlanta, when delta stopped him. >> pete williams, thank you so much. watching that story for us. appreciate it. a computer attack has shut down a website used by al qaeda to distribute its messages on the internet. experts are saying it could be several more days before it's back up and running. counterterrorism analysts here say it's unclear who carried out the highly sophisticated attack. a similar hacking occurred almost a year ago. that was eventually traced to the english government. late last night, the defense department said it was aware of reports that al qaeda's internet operations had been disrupted but would not comment on the specific incident. dozens of public pools are closed in massachusetts right now because of what was found in one of them. a dead body. it was not discovered for days. plus, why millions of americans, including you, might soon be losing out on your weekly checks. first, though, a look at what's happening on wall street right now. the numbers look pretty good, up over 100 and change, of course above 12,000, shaking off that austerity package that was approved in greece, looking forward to hopefully a good month. at bayer, we're re-inventing aspirin for pain relief. with new extra-strength bayer advanced aspirin. it has microparticles, enters the bloodstream faster and rushes relief to the site of pain. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. new bayer advanced aspirin. it's clinically proven to relieve pain twice as fast. host: could switching to geico did the little piggy cry wee wee wee all the way home? piggy: weeeeeee, weeeeeee, weeeeeee, weeeee weeeeeeee. mom: max. ...maxwell! piggy: yeah? mom: you're home. piggy: oh,cool, thanks mrs. a. anncr: geico. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more. welcome back. senate majority leader harry reid has told lawmakers they'll have to cut short their july 4th holiday to get back to washington, get back to work on dealing with the nation's debt. reid also said here that some senators complained they have plans to meet with constituents back home but yesterday, at his press conference, president obama scolded lawmakers, saying time is running out. >> if by the end of this week, we have not seen substantial progress, then i think members of congress need to understand we are going to start having to cancel things and stay here until we get it done. they're in one week, they're out one week and then they're saying obama's got to step in. you need to be here. i've been here. i've been doing afghanistan and bin laden and the greek crisis. you stay here. let's get it done. >> msnbc's karen finny's a former democratic party spokesperson. ron christie is a republican strategist who also worked for former president george w. bush. he's founder and ceo of christie's strategies. i want to start with you, karen, and play a clip from the senate floor from a few minutes ago. this is senator cornyn from texas. >> absolutely disgraceful. he should be ashamed. i think the president has diminished that office and himself by giving the kind of campaign speeches that he gave yesterday. >> so the senate's taking up the president's challenge, still no word from the republican-controlled house as of yet. both sides, karen, they seem to be digging in their heels at this moment. some might ask is this the right way to run the government? >> well, it's certainly not helpful to either party as i think polls consistently are showing, americans are really losing confidence in both parties. i think at some point, that may be the thing that gets people to actually focus on finding the political will to get something done. that being said, i think the president absolutely, these guys needed a little kick in the butt to say come on, just because the deadline is august 2nd doesn't mean you wait until august 2nd, and not just because it's bad for the way we run the government but remember, there are also implications for the markets, for capital formation which means money's not available for people, everyday people with everyday things. it's not helpful to our economy, nor is it good for our politics to be in this sort of hanging out position. >> ron, the concern is the economy long-term. a new cbs/"new york times" poll showing 26% blame obama for the condition of the economy, 25% blame wall street. 11% blame congress and 8% blame the obama administration. he's getting a pass as far as the public is concerned when it comes to the economy. when you look at this, should republicans be concerned about this? >> no. i think republicans shouldn't be looking at polls to determine which way the wind's blowing for their best political interests. i think what republicans have done is offered a budget plan and budget framework not only to put our fiscal house in order but to set a sustainable growth rate for our economy while reducing our entitlements. the democrats have not offered a budget for the last two years. this has never happened before since the congressional budget act was passed in 1974. for the president and the democrats to run around and say that republicans aren't responsible, republicans aren't serious, i think is disgraceful. the president needs to recognize that he's the president of all americans, regardless of their political affiliation, and his press conference yesterday picking winners and losers and scolding people i thought was diminishing the office and diminishing his stature as the leader of all of the country. >> that's a little revisionist history, because remember, you had both sides agree to a process which the vice president has been leading and by the way, the framework that eric cantor put out would require raising the debt ceiling to actually make it happen. it's a little hard to take some of this knowing that these are all people, as the president pointed out yesterday, who ran up the very bills we're trying to figure out how to deal there. but there's a process, they were working through that process and who was it that walked away from the table? that was eric cantor in part because of his own politics with speaker boehner but also because when it comes down to it, now is the time to make the tough decisions so the president's saying okay, let's do it. >> well, the only thing i would say to you is that the american people recognize that the democrats have controlled both chambers of congress since 2007. they have added nearly $5 trillion worth to the deficit. they like to say it's the mess the republicans did. the democrats have done this. the obama budget adds $1 trillion to the deficit for the next ten years. the democrats have shown their physical irresponsibility but again, let's not point arrows and blame. let's work together. i think that's what i think the american people want to see happen in this town. >> ron, you can't possibly talk about fiscal irresponsibility after the bush years. the american people as the poll that richard just showed are very clear about who got us into this mess. they may not be happy with the pace at which we're getting out of it but they are very clear that it was george bush who got us into this mess. >> i thank you both. karen, i appreciate your time. great conversation. you're being very productive. appreciate your time on that. >> always a pleasure. coming up, the most shocking story of the day. how a dead body went unnoticed in a public swimming pool for at least two days while people continued to swim in it. plus, some of the jurors who convicted rod blagojevich actually did not want to but had no choice. i'll talk with two of them. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing purina one beyond a new food for your cat or dog. now to a bizarre story in massachusetts. the dead body of a woman was found in a popular public pool on tuesday, where she may have been floating there for at least two days while people were still swimming in that very same pool. state officials have now closed 30 pools across the state. linda urgas from our boston affiliate has more. >> reporter: marie's body was found tuesday night floating in this public pool. it seems she might have drowned days ago and no one saw her body under 12 feet of water. candela mattis shows us a picture of her daughter at the lafayette park pool. she still can't believe no one saw her down there for days. >> you can still see her legs. >> reporter: joseph was last seen sunday helping a 9-year-old neighborhood boy down the slide. >> marie unexpectedly slid down the slide, landing on top of him. we believe marie went under the water and did not surface. >> reporter: heart-breaking news for herbert calwood, her boyfriend of eight years. >> i can't really turn around and say how i feel about her or nothing because she's not here no more. >> reporter: the pool was busy monday and tuesday and swimmers say they didn't see anything in the water, though it was murky. >> it was kind of like -- >> my son asked why no one could go in the deep end and they said because it was too cloudy. >> reporter: the department of conservation and recreation has closed all 30 of its deep water pools and the entire staff at this pool has been placed on administrative leave. none of this helps ease the hearts of those who lost a friend. >> she's dark-complected. how come they can't see? >> why they wasn't there for her? just ahead, that massive wildfire near the los alamos nuclear lab is just 3% contained right now and growing by the day. but there is a bit of good news. the big mystery in the casey anthony murder trial. it's not just about who killed caylee but who is her father. inside all of us is a compass and it always points true north. toward mountains of sand. toward new sights and sensations. toward the true bounty of nature so let's set our compass for traverse city and find ourselves. in the magic, and the moments of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. in bi switched to a complete multivitamin with more. only one a day women's 50+ advantage has ginkgo for memory and concentration, plus support for bone and breast health. a great addition to my routine. [ female announcer ] one a day women's. welcome back. french president sarkozy was nearly knocked to the ground by a man in a crowd in southern france today. the man grabbed sarkozy's shoulder before being tackled by security guards there. president obama honored defense secretary robert gates with the presidential medal of freedom today. it's gates' last day on the job after four and a half years at the pentagon. a panel of experts say breast cancer patients should not use avastin, the best-selling cancer drug in the world. they say it's ineffective and unsafe. prince william and catherine arrive in canada this afternoon, their first official foreign trip since getting married. they will be there for nine days. in los alamos, new mexico, the wildfire grew by 10,000 acres overnight, now charring a total of 80,000 acres. the battle is to keep the flames from the top secret nuclear lab there. that includes flying a radiation detecting plane to make sure air samples in the area do not contain any toxins. joining us is janet shanlian. do they expect more progress in the coming hours or days, janet? >> reporter: they are hoping to. 3% is largely uncontained. this wildfire is running wild. that said, they feel they have a good handle on things in terms of all the concern about los alamos, the national lab, because what they have done is protective berms around the fire. you are taking away the fuel in terms of timber and grass and trees so they made a lot of headway in that regard yesterday. that say, there is still smoke all over this community. the mandatory evacuation remains in place. and the lab can't really reopen until the community reopens, and the fire chief told me yesterday that he doesn't think that might happen until after this long holiday weekend. we're expecting an update in about an hour on the latest of what they are encountering today. but they seem to feel they have a good hand on the fire even though as you mentioned, it is still not contained whatsoever. >> as we know, janet, it all comes down to the weather and how things cooperate there. we can see a little wind behind you. thank you so much. >> reporter: that's their biggest problem. >> no doubt. thank you. the jury in the casey anthony murder trial right now taking a two-hour break, longer than usual, actually. it's fueling speculation the florida mom accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter could be taking the stand in her own defense after the break. riveting testimony this morning from the alleged mistress of casey's father, george anthony. she read a statement she made to police describing how george confided to her what he thought happened to his granddaughter, caylee. >> he said i really believe that it was an accident and it just went wrong, and then she tried to cover it up. casey, no verbal response. >> george, cindy and lee anthony also took the stand testifying about how they buried the family pets. meanwhile, diane dimond is out with an exclusive story about who caylee anthony's father might be. in a series of interviews, a massachusetts woman named donna mcclain claiming she is 100% sure it's her son, michael duggan. he told her in 2007 he had a baby with a woman named casey whose parents were named george and cindy anthony and that casey's father was a cop. michael duggan died in a car accident a short time after that conversation. in the past, casey anthony has said caylee's father was a man who died in a car accident in 2007. now to the war in mexico, where out of control violence has claimed more lives than terror attacks in afghanistan and pakistan combined and no one is immune here. back in may, for example, we showed you this riveting video as a kindergarten teacher tried to sing songs to calm her young students as the classroom sang "barney." hitmen armed with assault rifles executed five people just outside where those kids were on the floor. tim padgett's story is a riveting account of the growing violence in mexico. thanks for dropping by. when i read your article, what stands out is the violence. at the top, you mention 40,000 people were killed just over the past five years. >> it's not just criminals killing criminals anymore. as the cartels in mexico get more violent, they are increasingly targeting innocent people. that's underscored perhaps more than anything else by these mass graves that have been discovered in recent months in northern mexico. many of the victims in those graves being innocent civilians and the only good news about this problem which has really become a human rights crisis. you've got human rights people in mexico saying this is starting to remind them of say the balkans in the '90s or central america in the 1980s. the only good news to come out of this is because so many civilians are being targeted by the cartels, you are starting to see victims groups, families, relatives of murdered people, starting to form together and starting to pressure politicians in mexico to get more serious about the only real solution to this problem, which is police and judicial reform. >> we were looking at some of the pictures from your article. one was of that graveyard, just cross upon cross upon cross. give us a sense of the threshold of killing, how that has been lowered quite significantly in mexico. >> well, as i said, a lot of it has to do with the fact that you're seeing innocent people, for example, there's a movement that has sprung up in the past few months in mexico led by one of mexico's foremost poets. his 24-year-old son, a business student, was murdered with six friends by a group of drug cartel hoodlums and that has really begun to coalesce this feeling among citizens in mexico that we've had enough and even though this military campaign that president calderon has sent against the cartels, it's a good short-term fight, but the sad fact is soldiers do not defeat organized crime. police do. professional police. >> along those lines of solutions, you bring up colombia as a good example. >> right. that's exactly what they did in the 1980s and '90s. they started getting serious about professionalizing their judicial system. that made a huge difference. that's what mexico has to do and what we have to do to help them. >> interconnected united states and mexico. tim, thank you so much. your article out in "time." appreciate it. rod blagojevich could be spending at least ten years behind bars for trying to sell barack obama's senate seat. i will talk with two of the jurors who sealed his fate. plus, til death do us part. it's part of the marriage vows. but in this day and age it should be more like til sexting do us part. what women really think about online cheating. >> so, ah, your seat good? got the mirrors all adjusted? you can see everything ok? just stay off the freeways, all right? i don't want you going out on those yet. and leave your phone in your purse, i don't want you texting. >> daddy... ok! ok, here you go. be careful. >> thanks dad. >> and call me--but not while you're driving. we knew this day was coming. that's why we bought a subaru. we know right from wrong. and we know the ads blaming president obama for the economy are politics at its worst. the republicans have opposed economic reforms at every turn. and now they have a plan that would essentially end medicare for future retirees... slash education... while giving huge tax breaks to big oil and the wealthy. we can't rebuild america if they tear down the middle class. priorities usa action is responsible for the content of this advertising. the scandals involving arnold schwarzenegger and anthony weiner have sparked some discussions about social media and infidelity. i village.com has a new poll out on that very subject. a lot of people want to know about it. it finds that eight out of ten women agree that social networking sites make it easier to cheat but on the flipside, the sites also make it easier to get caught. joining me kelly walsh, chief correspondent for i-village. one of the major findings is the difference in attitude between single and married women. >> we were surprised about a significant infidelity marriage gap. single women, much less forgiving than married women. look at everything, sexting, 66% of single women say that's unforgiveable. 48% for married. an affair, sexual relationship, 85% of single women say throw the bum out. 70% of married women say it's unforgiveable. even flirting with an ex on social networking sites, you see that same gap. >> why? >> single women much less forgiving. >> it does not seem intuitive. >> we talked to married and single women about it. when you think about it, married women will say the stakes are higher. they might have children in the home, you might be talking about okay, what about our financial situation. my favorite quote in doing this story is from a single woman who said maybe if i have the ring and i'm married and kids but right now i'm single. if he does it, i can just get rid of him and get another one. it seems much more disposable, i guess, when you're singing. >> it is the practicality of relationships. let's talk about infidelity. you also found differences there. >> across the board. >> in terms of views. >> in terms of views. overall, you talk about more serious sexual relationships, having a child out of wedlock after arnold schwarzenegger, although we were surprised, one out of ten still would forgive fathering a child out of wedlock. also, look at that, richard. 60% of women in our poll said they would end the marriage over infidelity. times are changing. people are not so concerned perhaps about what others think and then look at that, 85% of moms would stay in the marriage even if their partner was unfaithful. >> that is shocking. goes back to your earlier point. >> you talk to people, women who say that if you have the kids that are involved, you want to think about the impact of a breakup on them. so you might be able to tolerate more, you maybe want to work through the marriage a little more than if you're single. >> if you do not have kids, you are much more open to getting a divorce, that's plenty fine, and culturally it's acceptable, is what you're saying. >> we asked women in terms of religious views and what your family would say. more than 50% of the moms that we talked to said what the family would think and even religious views would not be a big factor. more of it would be the kids and their financial situation. >> to cap off what you're talking about, some of the reasons as to why in terms of the survey, why women who end up staying despite infidelity, you also rank that. yeah. you have numbers on that. >> 85% because of the kids, 70% because of their current financial situation, about 60% because of their debt. it shows you in these economic times, if you are going to break up a marriage, you are going to leave, you might then have two mortgages, two household incomes. >> was it surprising, i know you went to dig into this subject everybody likes so much, had a lot of interest into it. >> i think we expected a slight marriage gap. i don't think we expected the size of it. also, even on the numbers of sexting, who thought about sexting ten years ago? but now a large number of women, hello, men out there, are saying if you sext, you can just take a walk. beware of what you do. there may be consequences out there. >> kelly wallace with the warning right there. appreciate it. thank you so much. >> great to be with you. political sidebar. michele bachmann just got into the presidential race on monday but is already dancing to second place in the latest gop presidential polls. during a campaign stop in south carolina yesterday, she showed she's fast on her feet when it comes to questions about her relationship with sarah palin. >> the press has tried to pit you and sarah palin against each other. what is your relationship with her? >> i have a very good relationship with governor palin. this seems to be their sideline right now. they want to see two girls come together and have a mud wrestling fight. and i'm not going to give it to them. meanwhile, bachmann's running head-on into a fight with rocker tom petty after a campaign cease and desist order telling her to stop using his "american girl" on the campaign trail. bachmann is looking for a new theme. we suggest "oops i did it again" or how about this grammy nominated tune for you? ♪ ♪ forget you and forget her too ♪ new newtons fruit thins. real cranberries and cranberry citrus oat... crispy whole grain. newtons fruit thins, one unique cookie. newtons fruit thins, naturals from delicious, real ingredients with no artificial flavors or preservatives. naturals from purina cat chow. share a better life. if the judge goes for the maximum sentence, former illinois governor rod blagojevich could get as much as 300 years in prison after monday's conviction on 17 of 20 fraud charges, although analysts are saying here a more likely sentence is seven to ten years. for more than a year now, the disgraced governor made the rounds in the media, hoping to convince the court of public opinion that he was innocent. >> do you agree that it would be wrong, it would be criminal, for you to try to exchange barack obama's u.s. senate seat, that appointment, for something that would be of value to you? >> oh, absolutely. >> you didn't do that? >> absolutely not. >> the last time i'm going to ask you this. rahm emmanuel asked you to appoint somebody to his seat. >> there was nothing inappropriate on my part nor on his part. >> when blago took the stand in a real court, the jurors just did not buy it. jessica hubenec was a juror in the blagojevich trial, a librarian from illinois. mya moody is a photographer and was juror 103. thank you for joining us this afternoon. jessica, i want to start with you. the governor apparently thought cotry to talk his way out of a conviction. why did it not work for you? >> there was a lot of contradictory things that he said up there. he talked about his life and his family and that was all interesting and everything, but when it came time for the prosecution to question him, a lot of his answers were very evasive. >> mya, talking about the answers, some have said at least in reports we have been reading, blagojevich had actually directed his answers to tailor them to all of the jurors. did you find that to be true? >> you know what, i did. after the jurors that were affected by it pointed it out, i did see it, although i don't think he tailored anything towards me, but you know what, you could tell, especially when there was a time where they were talking about the library and the pictures in the library. it was -- it was apparent that he was pointing certain things out about the jurors. and at the same time we were like well, why did we spend a half hour looking at pictures from his library, then afterwards it clicked. like oh, he's trying to relate to each of us. in some sort of way. >> perhaps some didn't like that. jessica, there were reports of dysfunction among the jurors in the governor's first trial which ended in a hung jury but in the retrial, which the two of you were involved in, it was quite different, wasn't it? >> yes. we all got along really, really well. we were very analytical, very deliberate when it came down to deliberating the verdicts. we started, you know, with reading our jury instructions and then we went on to read all the counts and create a timeline and if somebody had some doubts about something, we went over it again. there was no pressure, no shouting, no name calling. it went all very smoothly. >> that makes for efficient work which is always good to have a team that is working together. maya, we had also read that one juror described her decision to convict here as heartbreaking. what was some of the conflict you may have had personally? >> you know what, it's just hard because you know, you realize that you are -- once you found one guilty verdict, you realized that you were tearing his family apart. granted, it is something that it is because of his own actions but still, when you look at it at the end of the day, he is going to be -- it's going to affect his family and his children and himself for a very long time. >> jessica, what did you know about this case before you went into it? did you watch the first trial or have familiarity with it? >> no, i did not. i was aware that he was arrested and i knew there was something to do with the senate seat but that's really all i actually knew about it. >> so you didn't know much about it. >> no. no. very little. >> do you feel sorry for the governor at all? we were talking about up to 300 years, although it's expected it will be seven to ten. >> right. you know, i do. i felt sorry for him, i feel more sorry for his family. he's a human being. you have to consider that. but then, you know, we followed the law. there are consequences for what you do. and i know we did the right thing. >> what a case it was for both of you. thank you very much, jessica and maya. hope you have a great afternoon in the fine city of chicago. thank you for your time. >> thank you. thanks for watching on this day. see you right back here tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. in the west. up next, andrea mitchell reports. hey, andrea. >> hi, richard, thanks so much. speaking of the west, we are live on the road at the aspen ideas festival in colorado. a day after the president's fighting words, where do the debt talks stand? plus, 2012 politics. why obama and romney are both in battleground pennsylvania today. we will cover it all. ♪ [ whistle ] ♪ [ cat meows ] ♪ [ ting! ] [ male announcer ] travelers can help you protect the things you care about and save money with multi-policy discounts. are you getting the coverage you need and the discounts you deserve? for an agent or quote, call 800-my-coverage or visit travelers.com. >> 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