about in recent days. obviously we've been look agent this buildup for a few weeks. there was a buildup earlier this week as well. their demands crystallized in the past several days, last last week when we heard several russian officials basically say what they want is some kind of agreement that nato won't expand one inch east, and ukraine won't join nato. i just -- it's hard to imagine what's the actual structure of that agreement they're envisioning would look like. but i think that's a kashlgtization they're look after. >> forcing an agreement at the barrel of a gun is an interesting tactic. do we think this is really putin trying to flex in such a way that he can keep nato out of ukraine forever? >> well, i want to be honest. i don't know what putin's intentions are. i studied the guy and met him first in 1991. and participated in many meetings with him during my five years in the obama administration. i don't want to pretend i know
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