in our society, i would say is healthy. the whole idea of checks and balances. we want to institutionalize tensions. you talked about race, but then we had the civil rights movement. that seems to me a really good idea of a society that recognizes its divisions and has not solved them but dealt with them, i think, remarkably well. >> richard, i did my doctoral thesis on the civil rights movement. i know about the reforms of the civil rights movement, the dismantlement of segregation, the voting rights act in 1965. what happened as soon as the ink on the document dried? people were trying to stop people of color from voting. this was something that went on decades. indeed, you know, january 6th, in many ways, was the culmination of an insolvent democracy that was going on for decades. democracy wasn't strong in the first place. one of the reasons american democracy is frail, the founding fathers didn't intend for it to