and they have said very clearly and very loudly, no, we're not going to take that, and putin has been surprised by that, and he's grappling with that fact right now. we've got new voices to join our conversation, the president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass, jonathan lemire and staff writer at the atlantic, anne applebaum. we understand as mika mentioned that president zelenskyy has addressed nato. what do you expect to see coming out of this, to use the term deliverables from president biden, from the other european nations. what changes as a result of this gathering? >> i actually think the deliverables will be rather modest, you might have a slight increase in sanctions. they won't make an appreciable difference, hopefully more military supplies, maybe things that have been in short supply. antimissile systems, drones,
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