than to -- >> terrorize. >> terrorize, and actually for vladimir putin in the long run, put himself in a position, in a hole he can never climb out of in the international community ever, ever. he thinks this is grozny and aleppo. it actually, you know what, it's moving in that direction but the whole world's eyes are on this in a way they weren't on aleppo for whatever reason. >> i don't think he has a strategy for victory. from the beginning he's lacked an end game. he's digging himself deeper into a hole. i'm saying that the amount of damage he can do even as he gets deeper in that hole is enormous. that's why zelenskyy is aggressively seeking negotiations with him because he sees putin i don't want to say as an irrational leader but as a leader who keeps doubling down even at the cost of russia's
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