experience. but i stayed because -- and the joint chief of staff was there, mark esper was there, that was about syria and what was going on there. that's sort of the way approach it. we do this but we have do our job. i will look to find someone at the white house to work with me. i found them. there are quite a few people over there and we are working together even though this other stuff is going on. >> you said a minute ago you know jim jordan and work with him and don't know what the hell he's doing to use your words. >> that's true. >> most people know what he's doing, which is protecting the president. you know these guys better than we do, obviously. in private conversations or when you all get together, are they being as dishonest as it seems they're being? in other words, they hear the evidence, they're smart men and women, they know what happened and yet they're going a different direction. what's in it for them? why are they doing this? >> first of all, i really want
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