you believe it is if it is as laid out. we don't know the details yet. we know there was a phone call in the reporting we're getting from the "washington post" and "new york times" this morning is that it was ukraine, the whistleblower was talking about this phone call with ukraine. how big a deal potentially is this when you connect the dots to withholding military aid, rudy giuliani out investigating the bidens in ucrepe? >> ukraine? >> it could be an enormous deal or it could be nothing. and my sense is that people should keep their powder dry because we're now at 2 3/4 easy years of the trump administration and people think it's time to go in for the kill. the salient detail that would wrap everything up in a bow doesn't materialize or the story is a little overblown. and there's a set -- there are two secondary things. one, a real danger for the trump people and another a real danger