>> seen as a party on the brink. >> today romney is the only guy looking presidential. >> george bush's a rock, that's how you install a democracy in the middle east. >> the way you voiced it, it was pretty much what mitt romney said yesterday. >> i think this president is a winner. >> the first response to the united states must be outrage. >> we begin this afternoon with the president and secretary of state both working to address the ongoing crisis in libya, even as the nation continues to mourn the loss of ambassador stevens and three other senior members of the diplomatic staff. the has spoken to the leaders of both libya and egypt, inviting them to step up security while delivering marines and vessels to the region. these demonstrations are spreading to iran, bangladesh, so earlier today secretary of state hillary clinton tried to quell the storm, evoking this nation's founding principles and denouncing the film that provoked such offense. >> america's commitment to religious tolerance goes back to the very beginning of our nation. to us, to me personally, this bombing is disgusting and reprehensible. >> a 42-year-old native of winchester, massachusetts, a former navy s.e.a.l. we didn't learn of his the -- declaring that the president of the united states was somehow in sympathy with mr. daugherty's murderers. today we set the record straight, there was no apology. there was no sympathy for the enemy. there was nothing of the kind. and saying it again, mr. ryan, doesn't make it so. >> i disagree with the original statements that the embassy put out that the administration put out in cairo, sympathizing with the people who were storming the embassy. >> these falsehoods are being pedalled by desperate men and women who seem prepared to say anything in the name of their resolution. >> the l.a. riots are not going to lead to anything good. >> and they knowingly undermine the president of the united states even as he works to protect american lives major seas. >> i think this president is a wimp. i think this president doesn't have the courage to stand up to his terrorists. >> well this afternoon in virginia, mr. romney may finally have regained his faculty. he didn't mention the word sympathy or apology. joining us now is richard wolfe. mitt romney keeps talking about this false allegation that the president apologizes four america. but isn't it time he apologized first to the consulate staff who don't need a set of circumstances that are inflamed by the bluster and nonsense that comes out of his mouth, but also, what about the relatives of those who were killed. is there no courtesy, could he not have waited to release that statement until their next of kin had been informed. he's the man who needs to apologize. >> you need to recognize that there are times when a president is a political partisan figure and that job is about campaigning and there are times when you are speaking about a country a country in mourning. that's when you're really head of state, the president does most things, that's what mitt romney fumbled really badly. >> the world fumbled is inadequa inadequate, richard. >> well looking back at what actually happened and considering his own behavior, i think romney needs to reread the words of president bush, in these weeks and months when she was planning action against iraq, he was also talking about how great a religion islam is. he was talking about how we as americans look after muslim ameri americans, we protect them from hatred and tell them vile things about. -- -- also respect islam as an apologize. that's what the -- after 911. you. >> this is best evidence for why the blustering comments of a desperate politician are actually not in the best interests of this nation when it comes to matters overseas. >> that's obviously true. as richard said, george w. bush understood and mitt romney makes george w. bush look like some sort of giant of states manship and blodiplomacy, which is not easy thing to do. the administration response should have been some sort of blustery defense of this vile video produced specifically to inflame the sentiments of the muslim world. and just imagine what would have happened had that been an initial reaction by the u.s. administration saying, yeah, boy, we think this is great. you wouldn't see what you're seeing today, you would see something much worse. >> and we are seeing live pictures at the moment of protesters in cairo, in egypt, milling around and throwing rocks on the altercation, fairly young by the looks of them. richard, one of the things that we were looking at is the remarkable fact that when the democratic -- condemned the matter that the word god had not been included in the platform, and no reference to jerusalem as the capital of israel. so on the one hand, he's talking about us respecting religious faith and on the other hand, with respect to islam. >> you have to respect people of all faithing and mitt romney should understand that at quite a personal level given what some people have said about his own faith. and if you're going to attack people who denigrate faith, what do we think about those people who created this so-called movie. there's a consistency question, but also about american values, you respect all faiths and particularly those who have no faith at all. that's what we should be saying as a country to the world at this moment. another day and another attack because we gave credit to romney for not mentioning those stu wed comments yesterday. yet he's calling the chinese cheaters and stealers. what does he actually offer in terms of economic relationship. it's just abuse, isn't it? >> it is just abuse and you know, pandering on foreign policy is different than pandering on domestic policy. you can tell everybody, gee, we're going to create jobs out of nowhere, and we're going to cut everybody's taxes and you say that, but it doesn't have the effect of pandering on international affairs. and romney seems totally not to understand that. he -- it seems dangerously shallow and uninformed when it comes to foreign policy. it seems to have no idea of what diplomacy is. >> and eugene, for the benefit of our viewers they should know you spent a considerable a lot of your career as a foreign editor, so you know this area very, very well. let's look back at cairo, that are live, these are complex situations, we have already seen what has happened in relation to mitt romney, but this regeneral pl region actually represents a challenge for the president. >> people who are murdering and acting as mobs, they need to be condemned, they need to be quelled you need stable governments that -- that this country can help with in terms of training out police forces and that kind of thing, there is also as part of any democracy getting rooted, a need for again, a country like america, and america has traditionally played this role, in establi establishing a civil society. some of those parties as they were in europe, they not be entirely in line with american thinking, america actually played a critical role in the rise of center left parties. the idea was you split up the left. you don't just have communists out there, there are socialists, there are moderate parties as well. what we are looking at is -- to fracture out radical islam and have real democracy in these regions and take the heat out of these kinds of frustrates that are bubbling out or being manipulated by people who have blood on their hands already. >> i have just noted that john kerry became agitated less than an hour ago because he's hearing from many republicans that what we could do is pull the removal of the funding and everything. he said that's the last thing we should be going in relation to places like libya and egypt. do you agree? the arab spring isn't over, this is an ongoing process of change in a vital region in a region where there's always conflict, there's always controversy and there's usually bloodshed. this is going to be a long, difficult transitional process and if anything good is to come of it, we need to stay involved, we need to stay involved with countries that are difficult. and there will be difficulties ahead, but you have to take a longer view in this situation. i wish someone would sit mitt romney down and instruct him on what a longer view is. >> you jean robinson and richard wolf, maybe both of you could do so. thank you, gentlemen. coming up paul ryan returns to his day job. i think he may want to keep it for a while, stay with us. should we cut off that money both to libya and to egypt? >> well, yeah, and we ought to get a republican in the white house. what is the one island of democracy in that god foresaken region of the world? iraq. so you brushed with colgate total and you didn't. let's compare. germ party! eww! now the colgate total mouth. nice! 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i may have spoken too soon or -- he doubled down on that. and then what happens? he gets, you know, sort of nippeded at by his own people, and so he backtracks and lets other people fight his battles for you. these folks paid president obama so much that they are willing to essentially re-enforce a lie and part of what they -- i'm sure the strategy was is that mitt romney saw -- his argument being that the president is weak. his timing in the statement that he made, really undermined that critique. i think they saw their opportunity slipping away, so they decided the ckabul kind of got together, and we'll go ahead and take the heat and we'll continue to attack president obama. and the last thing i would say on this is by the way, the fact that these communities are so agitated suggests to me more that they do fear the united states and that the president has been very effective, i don't know, we got osama bin laden, we have taken down most of the most important heads in kaid, so, yes, we can expect retaliation, but that's a time for us as americans to stand together, not to create -- discord and disunity as a country. >> do you agree with karen's analysis, that actually what happened here is that the big brave mitt romney issues is the statements, and when he's criticized, he -- >> here's the brilliance about mr. romney that karen fin any adroitly points to, there's no wrong answer when it comes to mitt romney, yeah, he did that and the other stuff and he did them simultaneously, hence the problem, so on the one hand, his lack of states man ship and dignity allows -- he's a hypocrite because he let the buck pass him and on the other hand, he allowed other people to engage in a nefarious assault. so at the same time that mitt romney is out here trying to protend that he's a leader, let's not get the focus off where it belongs. i think that fox news wants him and others around him on the right wing want him to just be -- the politics of bluster, the politics of bravado. as opposed to let's try to work together, even as we exercise a very powerful foreign policy. >> karen, it seems remarkable to me given the fact that we know of contagion when it comes to these kinds of prozests. islamabad and pakistan, increasing protests against american embassies, american consula consulates, what could possibly possess mitt romney to come out with such a disgraceful statement. it mucht mean that he's not aware of the facts of history. when you do that kind of thing, you inflame the problem. >> think of it this way, martin, time and again, the answer we have gotten from romney as to why he wouldn't give us a single specific on what he would do with the middle east. what we have learned that this starts to unfold, he consults, who? not his foreign policy advisors, not his national security advisors, his political people, hiss communications people and puts out a statement that is incredibly irresponsible and then doesn't have the good sense to backtrack on that, recognizing that -- i reread the statement that the -- i would say that if we're really -- if we're really in a place where we're suggesting that saying that religious intolerance is something that americans abhor, that's a problem and that's a problem we need to deal with with the folks at fox, and mitt romney -- my point is clearly, mitt romney went for what he perceived the political opportunity, he did not do as he said he would do, which is to confer with foreign policy experts, national security experts of which he's got some fairly impressive people who should have told him, let's wait 24 hours to see how this situation unfolds. because foreign policy is a chess game and not checkers. >> with mr. romney, being president means never having to say you're wrong or you're sar. do we have to wait for your memoir for you to look back 20 years ago to suggest that you did something wrong? 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