who is trying to set up meetings on behalf of -- to ensure really that meeting os cured and phone calls occurred to strengthen the relationship, i'm a little -- i understand the people at the nsc, the people at the state department, i understand this they had issues with that, but isn't it the commander and chief that is to make those decisions? >> my point is that we at the national security counstcil wer not told that we were to be focused on these issues. so when you're talking about ukraine in 2016, i never personally heard the president say anything specific about 2016 and ukraine. i heard him say plenty of things publ publicly but i was not given a director. i was told by ambassador bolton to stay out of domestic politics. >> for the sake of the time
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