impeachment matters, we where entitled to that information and i hope we get it. so this is just the latest high crime and misdemeanor from this president. it is critical that we get all of the information laid out before the american people if we're going to get a reasonable hearing in the senate. because impeachment without removal is perhaps worse than nothing. it is -- it meets our psychological needs but doesn't remove a president who has committed high crimes and misdemeanors. >> and this has been your position since 2017. what specifically is it that you believe has caused that number to go up in the last 24 hours when we look at that letter by seven freshmen who are from swing districts, who have national security expertise, what specifically about this incident has been a game changer? >> well, first, it is how many straws on the camel's back.