2012. is this boycott a tactic to try to win back some of the voters in 2020? >> no. look. i think this is consistent. i'm also a super delegate at the democratic national committee. we don't hold our meetings at hotels that are -- where the workers are on strike. democrats don't cross picket lines. this is a consistent theme where we stand with unions and again there are many locations you can hold this debate. frankly, i would just asoon they hold it in a tv studio and get rid of the audience because the audiences aren't that integral to the debate setting and important that the debate go forward. a lot of the media oxygen is sucked up by impeachment as it well should because we're dealing with a president violating the constitution and also important for voters, particularly in those early voting states next year to hear from the candidates, also just as important for some of these cannot dates whose momentum picked up in recent weeks or some of those who's faded to get another chance to speak to the
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