defined defense emerges. is that the strategy? is that what the case is? with me now to discuss, our gabbie orr, white house reporter and chris wipl. with the book, you've covered chief of staffs and talked to more than a dozen of them going back some decades. you look at the early stages of how this particular white house is dealing with impeachment. what's the strategy at play here? >> it's a great question. >> is there a strategy? >> the fundamental problem with the impeachment defense is there is no defense. trump's actions are not defensible. the political equivalent of shooting someone on fifth avenue. maybe almost as many witnesses and plenty of clear cut evidence and so the strategy seems to be, let's pretend that this is normal. and let's try to smear joe
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