aid was being withheld? >> so far, katy, we haven't heard any response from the president or from any staff down in florida with him to the article in "the times" itself. the president continues to tweet about the impeachment hearing in the senate, the trial, continues to go after nancy pelosi, but nothing about this article and give than this president is such an avid consumer of news about himself and he often reacts very quickly to stories he doesn't like, it tells you either he's fine with this, that he doesn't see this story as all that problematic, or that there is still trying to formulate some sort of response and really haven't come up with what to say just yet. >> what about the optics of mike pompeo going to ukraine, even as the president still, eli, hasn't had a white house meeting with him and as a president has just been impeached by the house. what do you make of the optics? >> this is peak awkwardness. you saw the second come out

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