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Todd, msnbc political analyst and former rnc chair, Michael Steele, and democratic strategist kiki mclean. Chuck, great interview, lets start with you. During that interview that you had with the president yesterday, completing this trifecta from the white house, Speaker Boehner says an apology is in order but what americans want to hear is that the president is going to keep his promise. Republicans ask what does somebody have to do to get fired around here. Ten republican senators have asked president obama to fire secretary sebelius. Whats your thought here after that conversation. Will firing somebody on the white house staff signal the end of the controversy or did this interview that you had with him do enough to stop the bleeding . Well, i can tell you i think that theyre hoping to buy some time. I dont know if you stop the bleeding, but you sort of slow it down. They certainly had a feeding frenzy developing over the president s broken promise about if you like your Health Care Plan, you can keep it. And what you heard in there is the president also saying they are working on trying to figure out a way to do this, to keep this promise, at least for as many people as they can. But what i was told behind the scenes is that theyre not interested in doing it with congress but instead seeing if they can do it administratively. Not have to go through the legislative process, whether thats for political reasons or for administrative reasons, i think thats unclear. But as for the sebelius situation, look, it is not in this president s nature to fire to hand washing he hates this idea of handing washington a scalp, feeding the beast, if you will, saying that thats somehow necessary here. If he doesnt think she necessarily should be the fall person. That said, i found it interesting when i asked him if he still had confidence in her, he defended her, but he also said in hindsight there are probably some better questions that could have been asked. I think the secretary believes that too. But then he said thats when he said ultimately the buck stops with me. So the bleeding may be slowed. Michael, pliolitico pointing th out. Republicans who took a hit over the Government Shutdown believe they can turn these fresh controversies into a new opening to delegitimatize his presidency and batter his party in next years midterms. Whats the playbook here for republicans . Step back, let this implode on its own, pile on or some are saying, hey, offer a solution here. Well, i think its both actually, richard. I think they should let the democrats own that which they have created and let the president go out here and explain and let sebelius explain and the American People continue to ask the questions that are pertinent to them. Meanwhile, i think the house in particular begin to offer up identified solutions to fix those things that we know are troubling or problematic in the law, as we currently see it. I think its not enough to sit there and just say, you know, bad obama care, bad obama care, its got to youve got to put Something Else on the table because the American People do have an expectation that if you take this away, what will then replace it. Its not enough to just say that this isnt good. So i think the party certainly, but the policy leadership in the house have been opportunity to reframe this discussion around some better ideas and solutions to fix what is clearly problematic with obama care. Kiki, i want to get your take on chucks interview here. Ezra klein pointed out that the president apologized not for the policy but for americans finding themselves in this situation based on assurances that they got from him. In effect he was saying here that hes apologizing for a broken individual insurance market, that he shouldnt be doing that. Thats what ezra was saying. Whats your take on his apology . He was apologizing for a difficulty for a very small number of the population that are affected by the whole Affordable Care act. Look, lets remember this is really big, significant change. And it doesnt come easy and there are glitches and there are problems. And one of the things that i admire about this president and lord knows ive been tough on him as a democrat some days is that he is willing to look up and say in the big picture, this piece isnt working, what do we need to do. In the big picture, we are doing the right thing but weve got to make sure we make the adjustments to make it even better. And thats what at the end of the day this is about. You know, Michael Steele is a smart man and he gives good counsel to his own party, which is dont get so excited about this because i promise you, and its a promise im willing to go out on a limb an make, before its all said and done, more americans will have coverage, they will have better coverage, they will be happy they have coverage and our economy will be better for it. At the end of the day thats going to prove a benefit for america and not a political liability for republicans to extort, especially when theyre not prepared to offer up their own solutions. And thats really been a big vacuum these last six years of the whole debate and controversy around health care reform. So, again, i admire a president who steps up and says im sorry this is difficult for you. Im going to look into this to see what we can do, but the Overall Program and the overall idea of what change is occurring is going to move forward. Chuck, you got to speak with Texas Governor rick perry on your show earlier on and he was critical of what the president has done and said. Youve got the red state governors as we have been seeing refusing to expand medicaid in their states. Weve got a couple of things happening in the coming weeks. Youve got more white house officials that will be moving forward and saying going to capitol hill and having to talk on this issue itself. The house plan to keep your Health Care Plan votes, plan on doing that as well. Are things going to get worse before they get better here . Well, to me it all looks i would look to november 30th. Theres all sorts of potential new feeding frenzies based off of this change. I think the biggest one is going to be the enrollment numbers among healthier americans under the age of 35 or 40. And thats something were really not going to know until december, possibly really until january when we find out what those December Numbers are, but it really is all about this november 30th deadline. The president himself talking about it. They have put so much into making that deadline. If they dont make that deadline, if this website is not smoothly run, they have got much bigger problems. We have to leave it there. Thank you so much, chuck, as well as michael and kiki, you guys have a great weekend. And be sure to watch the daily rundown weekdays at 9 00 eastern right here on msnbc. Todays question, president ial apology, did it help or hurt obama cares image. Developing right now, the october jobs report Beat Estimates by some 80,000. Last month saw 204,000 jobs created. The report says the 16day Government Shutdown had no discernible impact on hiring, however, the Unemployment Rate rose to 7. 3 from septembers nearly fiveyear low of 7. 2. Wall streets reaction so far up 73 and change. Were looking at the dow, nasdaq up 39 and change. Joining us live is jared bernstein, former chief economist for Vice President joe biden and hes now an msnbc contributor. So the markets not taking that negatively. Also, jared, there were revised figures that we saw from previous months, an additional 60,000 jobs. When you look at the report right now, what does it tell you . Well, one thing it tells you is that the underlying American Economy is a lot more resilient than people realize. I think were not out of the woods by a long shot, whether were talking about yesterdays upside surprise on the gdp report or todays upside tick on the jobs numbers. In other words, even with these betterthanexpected results and the revisions, things are moving too slowly to knock that Unemployment Rate down quickly. On the other hand, weve thrown a lot at this economy, including most recently a Government Shutdown, and were still creating jobs in the private sector for the most part. You know, there were big gains in retail, yet we did see a step back in federal government jobs. Very small comparatively here. You add that on to what youve just said and one might say why didnt we see a bigger impact on retail, which might be normal, and why wouldnt we see a bigger number when it comes to government jobs that have gone sgloun down. So the government thing has to do with the methodology they employ. When Government Employees are furlou furloughed, theyre still counted. We consider them at work. So that you wont find. But what economists thought wed see more of in this report was the kind of knockon effects on retail and restaurants and the cafe outside the shutdown national park. You didnt see that much of that. I will say this, one thing you have to keep in mind and you saw this more in the other side, the unemployment side of the survey, there you see some of the results from the Government Shutdown and they did boost the Unemployment Rate and reduce the labor force participation. What are the estimations of the loss in terms of economic impact. We also saw number that say came out in terms of the cost of the furlough, some 2 billion. Are those impacts well see in the next job report, perhaps . Perhaps. Where we expect to see those is in the Fourth Quarter gdp report. Remember thats october. Thats the first month of the third quarter. And so in the next gdp report we should shave, i dont know, maybe Something Like 0. 3 of a point off growth because of the shutdown. Got it. Lets get on to twitter right now. Its closed, what, 70 , 80 higher than the ipo was itself. Whats your take on that . Is this a good time to buy then . You know, i wrote about it last night. I really i dont know that anyone can give you much advice about the price itself, because i heard analysts on both sides with very strongly held positions. What i will say is this. This was a pretty impressive rollout, especially if you think about facebook. The New York Stock Exchange can kind of thumb their nose to the nasdaq right now because that rollout, that ipo went quite well for twitter, and its also in the midst of some pretty glum stuff going on in the economy. I consider it sort of positive. Heres an innovative, interesting, fun company and they had a successful ipo and raised a lot of capital. That said, its not going to change any of the fundamental economic problems that will be setting middle and low income people. Jared bernstein, thank you so much. Msnbc and cnbc contributor. President obama will speak about the economy in the 1 00 p. M. Hour here on msnbc. Be sure to tune in for our live coverage there. Hes admitted to smoking crack. 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Ten months since their sons mysterious death, the family of Kendrick Johnson has finally obtained school Surveillance Videos on the day he died but those videos are raising more questions than giving answers. Wednesday authorities released nearly 1900 hours of footage from 36 camera, it shows the georgia teenager walking through the schools hallway, entering the gym, and playing with his schoolmates. Lower righthand corner for you. The camera that would have captured how kendrick ended up in a wrestling mat where he was found dead was motionsensored and recorded a blurry image. Now the family is demanding a coroners inquest which would reopen the case and find justice. Joining me are kendricks parents and their attorneys as well. Thank you all four for joining us on msnbc today. Mr. Johnson, i want to start with you. We reached out to the local Police Department but we havent heard back from them as of yet. What concerns you about the tapes that youve been able to view so far that were released . Well, the video, you can see people jumping in and out of the screen shots and the quality of the video is just some images just dont show good. And whats your thought when you dont feel like its showing very well . Well, you know, what my thought is, you know, that it had been tampered with. And, mrs. Johnson, is your family being optimistic now that the federal prosecutors have stepped into this process . Yes, we are. We still just are waiting to see what theyre going to find out and we still want to go on with our investigation. Your husband just said that he thought theres a possibility of the video being tampered with. Why do you think that may have happened . To cover up what they started covering up from the beginning. And do you believe that, again, with the federal investigators involved that that might find out why they may have wanted to tamper with this, if that is the case . Yes. Mr. Johnson, one more question for you here before i speak with your lawyers. Youve seen some conflicting reports from the two autopsies that were performed on your son. As youve gotten more information about these various reports, what do you make of that, why they might be different . Because the second one pretty much interact with the report of the emt report and the first one, it just its impossible how they say that he died. Mr. Crump, as you are digging into this case at the moment, youre getting answers perhaps or maybe no answers based on what you want. Theres the issue of the time stamps on the video, for instance, thats one issue. Then theres also the blurry video and police are saying that a ball had hit the camera and thats why some of the video is a bit blurry. And then theres the motion sensor that didnt pick up the movement that would have caught the area where kendrick allegedly fell into that mat. Whats your response to all of that information thats coming in right now . Richard, Kendrick Johnsons death is a real tragedy and its a real murder mystery for these parents. They only want the truth. And when you see things like 36 cameras in that school, 36 angles, all of them are clear and vivid except the one camera that is pointed to the wrestling mat back in the corner. Thats blurry and that is distorted. It just flies theres too much of a coincidence. Also when you think about the fact that this family through attorney king had to sue, had to file a lawsuit just to get the video released that do tell them the truth of what happened to their son, why should they have to go through all of that . Why cant they get the right video . We know that this video just seems to be corrupted when you just apply the common sense test that we have time stamps on pictures but we dont have time stamps on what they released to us. Mrs. Johnson, kendricks friends and supporters have spoken so favorably of him but what can you tell us about your son and what he was like. He was funny. He played three sports. He was a kid anybody would love to have. We thank you both so much, mr. And mrs. Johnson. I know its a very difficult time for you. Appreciate your time for coming by today as well as attorneys Benjamin Crump and c. B. King. Thank you very much. Developing now, what could be the largest storm ever recorded is now moving toward vietnam after hammering the philippines and being blamed for at least four deaths. The u. S. Navy saying typhoon haiyans wind gusts here got up to 235 miles an hour, flooding streets, triggering landslides and knocking out power. The Philippine Red Cross believes up to 90 of the infrastructure has been heavily damaged, about one Million People hunkering down in shelters. [ male announcer ] at humana, understanding what makes you different is what makes us different. 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Clearer skin is possible. Just when you thought the story of rob fords crack confessions could not get more bizarre, along comes a new video of the toronto mayor making violent profanitylaced threats against an unnamed man. The language youre about to hear is graphic. Watch. He dies or i die. Brother, youve never seen [ bleep ] [ inaudible ]. Ill poke his eyes out. Make sure hes det. Itll be over in five minutes. It will be a bad [ bleep ] dude. Shortly after the toronto star released that video, ford called a meeting with reporters outside his office to apologize but did not reveal the target of his threats. Its extremely embarrassing. The whole world is going to see it. You know what, i dont have a problem with that, but it is extremely embarrassing. Obviously i was extremely, extremely angry. Okay. So this comes just days after the mayor admitted to smoking crack cocaine, as you might remember, which purportedly was caught on an unreleased videotape. Ron mott is live in toronto with the story of whats got to be the craziest mayor in north america. Ron, sometimes we do stories and theres not a lot to talk about, but with all this coming together. The mayor still refusing to step down, youve got to ask whats next . Exactly, richard. A lot of folks asking that question, what is next. We can tell you a lot of folks camped out on the second floor of the city complex behind me waiting for the mayor to come into the office today. We think hes going to come in sometime after lunch. Hes refused to step down. We can tell you this morning his brother, doug, said that it might be a good idea for his brother to step away for a couple of weeks to get his act together, to get his life together. Well have to see if the mayor addresses that when he comes into the office today. Last night on tv his mother and his sister took to the air waves. His sister is a former recovering drug addict herself. Was asked if she thought her brother had an addictions problem and she said no. Her mother said shes had some conversations with her son about what she thinks he needs to do to get out of the mess that hes in at the moment. Take a look at this. Number one, five steps. Get yourself a driver. Then after that, you do something about your weight. And thirdly, what was the other thing i told him. About that car, the thing the alcohol detector in the car . Yeah, an alcohol detector in the car and that will prove you cant drive your car if youre drinking, so youre just not going to do that. Well, obviously a lot of things on rob fords mind Going Forward here on this friday, richard. One thing we can tell you, its very difficult to get rid of an elected official in this town, so some of the city counselors are looking to see if they could pass new legislation that would effectively give them the power to remove the mayor from office. Still a lot of things that can happen with this story. 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President obama sticking by Vice President joe biden in his exclusive interview with nbcs chuck todd. Meanwhile it seems nearly everybody in the gop is hating on new Jersey Governor Chris Christie these days. Theres a lot for our agenda panel to chew on on this friday. Joining us special correspondent for the root. Com keli goff. Also ryan grim and jonathan cohn, a Senior Editor at the new republic. Kelly, lets start with you. What do you make of this possibility thats discussed of swapping out joe biden. With all due respect to the president , i think we saw his nose growing a little bit when he new absolutely nothing anybody was discussing this. Do i think he heard chatter people said we might be doing some polling to swap him with hillary, yeah. But that is possible that the president may be shielded from that discussion . Look, this is deja vu all over again. Lets not forget president bush said at one point he was considering possibly swapping out dick cheney. I dont think this is completely crazy. I wrote about it actually last year, an article whether it would boost the president if they did just that because polling seemed to indicate it might and also gaubecause the g as has so many women candidates they were lifting at the time. Ryan, the authors of double down say when Vice President biden was tested against Hillary Clinton, they basically came in about the same level. There wasnt much difference evidently. What might have happened if Hillary Clinton did test higher . Well, i mean immediately it would have looked a little bit desperate. You know, what is obama trying to compensate for here by putting in Hillary Clinton and dumping joe biden. And they didnt want that. They certainly didnt want that sense of desperation. But if she had become Vice President and was now Vice President , it would only solidify her position as the kind of president in waiting, which she already has just with her kind of consulting gig that she has with the Clinton Project or whatever it is shes doing. Shes the president shes this designated president in waiting. Jonathan, thats your thought . Well, you know, this strikes me as one of these classic situations where the strategists who were thinking about this are kind of missing the big picture. Whether or not biden polls higher or not, when you think about what made obama an appealing candidate, part of the fact is that hes stable, hes steady, he doesnt change his mind a lot, hes responsible. Suddenly switching Vice President ial candidates, you know, after one term, i just think that would have looked it would have looked out of character for him and would have actually hurt his, you know what they call his overall brand. Lets turn to our second topic for the agenda panel today. Chris christie, 2016, Texas Governor rick perry on msnbcs daily rundown this morning. Chuck todd asked him if christie is conservative enough to be the nominee. Listen. Theres a lot of time between now and 2016. I would suggest governor christie and the rest of us need to focus on 2014, making sure that we elect more governors that have those policies put in place to create jobs, to create wealth, to be the juxtaposition. Kelly, does he have the cred here to get it done in the primaries . Heres what interesting is Chris Christie has more conservative street cred than mitt romney was. Mitt romney was on the record was being pro gun control before he wasnt. Chris christie combines the best qualities of a giuliani and a romney, which is not a bad thing for conservatives, even though theres a liberal narrative that hes not going to get past the primary. I think hell have an easier role in the primaries than romney did. That he can maneuver through the primaries and into the general election. Jonathan, Chris Christie is getting a lot of mainstream attention as well. Here he is on the new michael j. Fox show. Well be speaking to the governor of new jersey, Chris Christie. Governor, welcome. Mike, thanks for having me. Im so glad to see you back doing your job. I find your story so inspiring. In fact i think its so inspiring that theres been a lot of speculation about things and i feel so inspired that i think i should make an announcement, so mike a little snooze there. Mitt romney saying that governor christie could save the Republican Party but then again, as was noted by kelly, mitt romney wasnt a conservative favorite either. Right. The question with christie, its all about his temperament plays. On the one hand for the republican base, theyre going to remember that christie was the guy paling around with president obama. There was that great saturday night live sketch where he was just lavishing praise on obama. Obviously in the republican base, they hate obama so maybe that cuts the wrong way. On the other hand, were talking about a very fiesty guy, a guy who gets angry, a guy who can be pretty nasty. Maybe that taps into the anger in the tea party and maybe because of that, you know, theyre willing to overlook some of his things and willing to overlook the fact he has said nice things about obama. So its really a question of which one of those plays more psychological psychologically. Ryan, quickly here, more of christie in the primary, hes going to have to face a bunch of tea party favorites. Here they are taking him on. We need moderates like Chris Christie who can win in new jersey in our party. What that means about the national party, im not sure theres an answer. Every race is particular to the state that its run in so there are factors in new jersey that i think are individual to that race. Governor christie has certainly shown a way of winning in new jersey and states like new jersey. You know, another potential 2016 rival, senator ted cruz, hasnt shown christie much love. Whats your thought, will it be christie versus the tea party basically . Yes. And the tea party candidates, perry, cruz, paul, they want to make sure that they can get in front of any inevitable tee that starts to build up because once that happens, theyre worried that he could steam roll his way to the nomination because the republican primary electorate does have a long history of electing the person that they think is able to beat the democrat. And as much as they hate obama, republicans, you know, just despised president clinton and Hillary Clinton will be just the same for them. Thank you so much, keli goff, ryan grim, jonathan cohn. Chris christie joins david gr gregory this sunday on meet the press. You can find more on our panel on our website, thomasroberts. Msnbc. Com. In russia, lastminute preparations are under way on the eve of the Miss Universe competition. Thomas roberts has been in russia all week rehearsing for his role as cohost of the competition, but also to get an inside look at the impact of the countrys new antigay propaganda law. Thomas joins us from moscow with a behindthescenes look at the lastminute Miss Universe preparations. Richard, good morning. It is afternoon time here in moscow, and we are in the thick of it for the rehearsals for tomorrow nights Miss Universe pageant. This is city hall here in moscow and we have been in rehearsals for the last few days. These women who are competing in the Miss Universe competition have been here for the last several weeks as they have been preparing for the crowning moment tomorrow night. Behind me on stage theyre gearing up for the final act. I just jumped away to come over here and take this minute to talk to you. But there you can see the 86 competitors that are lining up for the final act, the final act being the crowning moment. Interesting, though, weve run through this a couple of times. Just so you know, the top five are the ones that are going to be crowned, one of them anyway. Well, they have run through this so many times that different sets of countries actually get to be part of the top five but none of them ever actually get to practice the crowning moment. Theres someone on staff here who always plays that part. So none of the girls actually get an opportunity to know what its like to hear their name called for Miss Universe until the moment that it happens, which will be saturday night at 9 00 on nbc. Now, my cohost is the incredible and awesome mel b. She has been so much fun, this has been such an adventure. Meanwhile we have two standins. Mine is a cute guy named vlad, who is younger, has better hair than me and is doing a better job with the teleprompter. Im going to get back on stage and finish up but we hope you tune in tomorrow night at 9 00 p. M. And watch Miss Universe. Im sure you are going to kick butt there. Again, thank you for that report. Remember to check out thomas video diary at thomasroberts. Msnbc. Com. Join the discussion on the agenda setters and get realtime updates on twitter, instagram and facebook. You can watch the competition as thomas was telling us, nbc tomorrow at 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Well, todays producer pick comes to us from executive producer anika thompson. Vice President Joe Biden has done it again. He called a second wrong number, trying to congratulate bostons new mayor, marty walsh, take a listen. Marty, its joe biden. Nice to see you win and nice to see labor win. Anything i can do to help you from the white house in terms of your needs in boston, holler, man. 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He was not arrested on charged in that incident. Joining me live via skype, cam cleeland, a pro bowler voted team mvp his rookie year and a rookie of the year runnerup. Cam, thanks for speaking with us on this friday. You know, you recently spoke to the l. A. Times about your own experience with bullying in the nfl. And in the article it says you were clubbed in the face by a sock filled with coins. Coins that free agent linebacker andre royal the spent all day collecting from teammates. Nobody knew what he planned to do with them, but they had donated them by the fistful. Thats what it says in the article. You also say that particular incident shattered your eye socket and nearly cost you your eye. And you also mention being kickkick ed and punched. You suffered a broken nose. All of these things in this article here. Can you give us a better sense of what may have happened here. Was it this severe . Well, i would say it was that severe. I mean back in the nfl this was something that was tradition, that the saints had done for quite a while. Obviously being a rookie coming from the university of washington, i wasnt quite aware. Ive always heard about hazing in a sense or taking each others pads, sicking a fight song, that was pretty norm. This was quite a bit different and something at the end of Training Camp that night that had been tradition. If you didnt participate in that, they would have broke down your door or if they locked you in, they probably would have found a way to get you, throwing things underneath the door, destroying everything. So you pretty much either had to go through or it was part of the initiation to be part of that team. Youre saying quite a while. How long is quite a while that this was going on. Im not sure how many years it happened. I was there in 98. I know that it happened previously at least two years before that. So it was somewhat of a tradition that they did. When does this sort of activity start . Did you experience it at all in college . Have you heard about that happening in the ncaa . I havent heard about it not to that severity of a level. I mean part of being an athlete is youre with your guys, youre with these guys all the time. Youre going to have time where you need to have let your guard down, joke, have thick skin in this sport. Thats what it takes. It takes a little bit of thick skin. You know, unfortunately to that level, i look back on that and that was just a little bit too far i would have to say. I want to also read what you told the l. A. Times. This about Richie Incognito, the person in the middle of the investigation right now. You say, quote, im not afraid to say that he was an immature, unrealistic, scum bag, end quote. Those are your words. Yet, you know, he was rejected by some teams along the way. What do you think here, what made him so difficult . You know, im definitely not a psychologist or a therapist so i cant give you a quote what made him so mindwise tell us mow about incog neelt owe and what you know about him. Well, hes a unique individual. I cant say it any differently. He had a hard time in our locker room in st. Louis with the group of offensive linemen we had. He ended up having a problem with coach spagnola, thats what got him out of there. Im not quite sure whats wrong with him or what it is, but his continuity in the locker room just in that scenario, what i observed with him, wasnt successful for that team and i was always curious why a guy like that should be on a football program. So is this activity youre hearing about surprise you . No, not at all. I wouldnt have said it if it doesnt surprise me. You can see it just keeps getting worse the longer this drags out. Former star cam cleeland, thank you for your time today. Well be right back. I remember the day my doctor said i had diabetes. 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Mike lee headed to speak at the faith and freedom fundraiser sparking 2003 speculation, rick perry was there speaking fondly of his time in 2012. That years caucus is the subject of a new documentary aptly titled caucus. Once every four years iowa caucuses, were watching what happens there. So much rides on the people of iowa. Since 1972 iowa voters have been the first in the country to take part in the president ial nominating process. One of the biggest political events of the year, the iowa caucus under way today. This is a night weve been waiting for for a long, long time. This race has been about two candidates. The problem is it hasnt been the same two candidates for two months in a row. Joining me caucus filmmaker. Angela, gave awe list of hopefuls through the state of iowa. Add ted cruz has been there three times, rand paul at least twice so far. How does the current cycles look to 2016 compare to what you saw in 2012. I dont think if i make documentaries for a long time ill ever have that cast. All big personalities. Draw that distinction for me. I think as a filmmaker you want to have all your characters have something that jumps out. When you have someone like herman cain who is not a politician professionally. Youve got newt gingrich, former speaker, michele bachmann, all have big personalities, charismatic. Seeing them interact with people was great. I dont know what the next round of candidates will be but it will ploebl be interesting. We were watching Rick Santorum as part whaf we were playing. As you were speaking at iowans looking at that candidate as opposed to mitt romney, what resonated more. They loved retail politics. In the final days of a campaign youd see people at an event, mitt romney or rand paul, i think email going to vote for rick perry but i have to see ron paul before i make the decision. That is something in iowa they take seriously about going an seeing every person. If you are the kind of candidate who will go to them and not do the hour outside of des moines but go to the very northwest corner, i think they take that seriously. Another part of reins here. Iowa picked about 50 in terms of their success in predicting the president ial nominee. So as we look at the democrats, what does iowa mean for them . For the democrats . In the next election, i think it will be interesting to see if its a coronation depending who runs. We look back to 2012 2008 and that was very key. That was a big fight. Also 2004 when john kerry came behind at the last minute and won. He had been pretty much swept the primaries after that. Thank you for coming by this friday. Happy friday. That wraps up things for me. A reminder leading up to veterans day, watching taking the hill hosted by Patrick Murphy right here on msnbc. Now with alex wagner, thats next. My customers can shop around see who does good work and compare costs. 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