Optimistic, that we can come to an agreement and open up the government and avoid default. After listening to all of us talk now probably understand why 60 respect about of americans want to vote all incumbents out. Meanwhile outside Tea Party Activists take to the streets, protesters including sarah palin march from the world war ii memorial to the white house where riot police had to be called in. Is this anyway that a commander in chief would show his respect, his gratitude to our military . Also today, he survived five Government Shutdowns. What former president jimmy carter says about the current crisis. I know john boehner fairly well. Hes not a coward. He has a very deifficult fragmented republican party. The msnbc exclusive ahead. I want to see a doctor. You cant go to the clinic ups its an emergency. This is an emergency. We dont see it that way. Plus laverne cox bringing her real Life Experience as a transgender woman to television in orange in the new black. Shell join me to talk about how she has sparked a new way to talk about the undercover issue. And also today, water. The problem and solution for a billion people. How a nonprofit is tackling apunexpected source to fund todays big idea. A whole heck of a lot to get to, but we start of course on capitol hill where again the senate is in session on this sunday. And Kelly Odonnell is working, as well. Mitch mcconnell put out a statement saying there is a plan in place. Democrats g s rejected it yest. Is there more or less hope at this point . In a big picture accepsense,e is more optimism in the air. But just whats going on right now, it seems pretty quiet and not much happening at all. Sources in both parties tell me there have been no new conversations between reid and mccop he winnell and no meeting scheduled. Basically what that means is mcconnells statement which he put out saying there is this deal on the table with republicans and democrats who have come up with some ideas, take a look at that. Well, we know the democrats did and the white house and Senate Leaders on the democratic side said no. So mcconnell is holding firm. Hes had no response back from leader reid and leader rooeids team is saying mcconnell needs to understand they will not reopen the government and raise the debt ceiling if there are some conditions attached. Thats where weve been for a number of days now so the optimistic side is that at least the phone lines are open, some framework for having conversations. But if were looking at just whats happening today, its really been a day of no new developments. Tea partiers like senator ted cruz, sarah palin, this rally in d. C. Got people worked up. What you can tell us about that . It d. C. Is always a place wh demonstrators really get fired up. Today is a good example. You had large crowds. Many of them carried those things associated with the tea party. Dont tread on me sign. They made a symbolic move with barricades. That is something that police get very nervous about if you touch or tried to move barricades that have tried to be established here. So that got police in a high response posture. What they did is they took barricades from the world war ii memorial, carried some of them to the white house and sort of stacked them up there. Thats a protest to say that they dont like an open air monument like the world war ii mem or dwral has been closed during the shutdown. That has been a real con receiver difference rallying point as you know, craig, upset about the fact that veterans have not been able to go to these memorials because they have been closed during the shutdown. So the protests have been loud and boes truss, police have been very much on point to respond. We dont know of any arrests or anything getting out of control. But it was certainly energetic. Kelly odonnell for us from the hill. Thank you. Lets get straight to the brain trust. Bill snyder, melina maxwell, and john fund, from the national review. Thanks to all of you. Bill, the senate in session again. This is how Senate Majority leader harry reid kicked off the session. Americans want session to compromise. They Want Congress to give check certainty and security, not more indecision and doubt. Americans Want Congress to do its job. Thats all theyre asking us to do. That is all were asking them to do, bill. At this point, whats the likelihood we avoid default on thursday. No one can be confidenct, bu i think were more likely to avoid default than open up the government. No one knows what happens if we go into default, but theyre frightened of it, so that they will try to avoid. Opening the government could be tougher. We had a lawmaker on yesterday who contends that this idea that we may default, that some of that has been overhyped. What say you today. Probably true, but again, the markets would certainly be nervous. The markets would go down, a lot of people have money invested in the markets. Its something you want to avoid. The Government Shutdown is probably not so much of a problem because 85 of the government is still functioning. We even saw the statue of liberty and the grand canyon opened this weekend based on estates putting up the money for them. One of the first rules in washington is if you have the political advantage, and the democrats have the political advantage right now, you dont demand surrender. You have to give the other side something in order to achieve the deal. Right now harry reid, and i blame him more than the president , is not is demanding surrender and no compromise. Is that how you read this, is that what harry reid and the democrats are demanding . No. This is an insane conversation because were talking about defaulting on the debt. We should be covering this as if there is a hurricane coming that will wipe out the global economy. Instead were talking about which side is to blaem for the shutdown or the possible default. When we really need to be inserting some urgency in this. And i disagree about blaming harry reid or the president. This is a republican problem. They created this problem, they shut down the government and now they see the polls are not looking good for them and theyre trying to wiggle their way out of it. Well talk about the poll at some point throughout the hour. This is senator Chuck Schumer this morning talking about the polls and the pressure that they have put on House Republicans. Take a listen. There probably is a new mode in the house, Speaker Boehner cant lead, but if the senate leads, i believe he could follow our lead. Is that true . Well, i think the House Republicans are desperate to get it settled. If the senate puts across a plan that is even minimally acceptable, i think they will take it. The problem is health care, is it going to make any changes in obama care. Sounds like youre alluding to the medical device tax. Oh, no, verification of income. And also will the the navigators, the people who guide people through the health care which x. Changes, will they have cell background checks. But in terms of the suggestions being taken seriously those are all taken seriously. Dont you want people help to go navigate the exchanges to have background checks . They dont have them now. This is the issue is that this is a conversation that should be had and should have been had outside of this. Would you concede that . I think obama care started october 1st. I think some republicans mistakenly thought it was apappropriate time to launch a debate using the government budget as a lever. That obviously was a mistake. Lots of people said it was a mistake. However, the problems with obama care are real and they are going to persist beyond any of the shutdown stuff. And we have this is the commissioner of Social Security until this year. Obama cares exchange problems mean we could see the most widespread violations of the privacy act, we could see Identity Theft exposure of addresses of victims of domestic abuse. And this is the conversation ad nauseum that folks have been engaged in fp. Were having the conversations about the problems about obama care during a crisis and nobody will come up with a reasonable solution when we have the gun to the head, which is whats happening. People are signing up right now and are potential victims of Identity Theft according to the commissioner of Social Security. That could have been highlighted why wasnt it the last three years . Why are we talking about it now . You asked me. Thats actually not what i asked you. You asked about what are the serious concerns about obama care that are considered Reasonable Solutions and i answered you. I brought up three. You brought up one that is a serious concern. You dont think not verifying peoples income for purposes of getting im talking about political feasibility. Those are easy. You just verify the income. Political feasibility. Things they can get out of whats wrong with verifying someones income theyre appalachia applying for the exchanges . I didnt say there was anything wrong with it, but its not politically feasible because if it was, it would have happened by now. You achieve a compromise by changing the definition. Let me get a word in. There are problems with obama care and the answer is fix them. Fix the problems. Dont shut down the government. Its good to have you in person. The brain truss will take a quick break and join us later. Well talk about other things. No, well probably talk about the exact same thing. Again, the senate in session right now calling for compromise from both chambers of congress. Republican Marsha Blackburn will join me live from tennessee. Good to see you, congress woman. Also ahead, a flesh eating bacteria is making swimmers sick in several states. Well tell you where. And caught red handed literally. What an eagle eye voter spotted sarah palin doing this weekend in jersey. First, though, food Safety Advocates are warning a serious salmonella outbreak oig could get worse during the shut down. This outbreak o breabreak sh that can could if Public Health officials arent watching. It comes when most of the 13 thour ,000 workers have been furloughed. The agency has called back a handful of staffers to help deal with the bre outbreak. If i love having a free checked bag with my united mileageplus explorer card. Ive saved 75 in checked bag fees. [ delavane ] priority boarding is really important to us. You can just get on the plane and relax. 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A sigh of relief for people who rely on food stamps to buy groceries. The ebt system is back up and running. People in 17 states could not use their debit style cards because of a system outage. Xerox which operates the system says routine test of backup systems caused the outage, it was not because of the Government Shutdown. While senators are on the hill today at work, they show just how far apart the parties remain in the house. There are a number of things we could do, but we cannot do it under the gun as we are now. We just offered you a six week extetensio extension. You want to do this again in six weeks . You want to get everything you want. Will congress ever be able to reach a compromise . Joining me live, Marsha Blackburn. Congresswom congresswoman, we are starting to see glimmers of hope in the senate with harry reid and Mitch Mcconnell talking. We have not seen a great deal of talk across party lines in the house. Have you essentially rendered yourself irrelevant . I would say quite the contrary. We have september the senate four different continuing resolutions and i think all but one of those had bipartisan support. We have sent them 16 different funding bills. Weve had about 200 democrats in the house vote with us on those members. You mean the piece meal bills to open the government . Yes, its called appropriations. Thats how we fill out the budget every year. Thats how we go about it. I would ask you why open the government piece by piece when you can open it entirely . We didnt want it shut down in the first place. Thats not my question. Why not open the government entirely instead of piece by piece . Very simple question. Well, and i can give you a simple answer for that. What we wanted to do is make certain that we address the funding issues of this. We have sought to have the Senate Address our Appropriations Bills and they didnt do it. So we said if you want it in smaller bites, well send to you in smaller bites. So thats what they have done. They wouldnt take action on the budget. Didnt do a bunch fought years. This year they wanted us to tell them we were going to give them everything they wanted in order to negotiate, so then we sent them continuing resolutions and they didnt want those. So then they didnt take up our Appropriations Bills. So we said well send you these one component at a time. I dont know how much more simple we can make it for the senate than that. Lets move from that crisis to the one thats coming up here in just a few days. On meet the press this morning, cries tehristine lagar the 24rthreat of the u. S. Defau is very concerning. Take a listen. One thing were certain around the table, it was that if there is that degree of disruption, that lack of certainty, that lack of trust in the u. S. Signature, it would mean massive disruption the world over. And we would be at risk of tipping yet again into recession. Youve been adamant that you will not vote to raise the debt ceiling without significant spending reforms. If you dont get what you want here, are you still willing to risk default despite domestic and International Concern . We made an offer on the debt ceiling. And asked that they negotiate and work with us. Youve had 53 lifting of the debt ceiling that have taken place over the last four decades and 27 of those brought about spending reductions, all of them have had negotiations involved in the process. We have asked that the president and we have asked harry reid to please meet us at the table and negotiate this through. Were incredibly concerned about it. Why would you vote to extend the debt ceiling by just a few weeks or a few months . Why would we want to revise it this . Inned to allow time for negotiations because they have been unwilling to meet us at the negotiating taeble, so we said e will give you a short term lifting if you agree to hit down and work with us. We have 17 trillion in at the time. You mean democrats or the American People . We are talking about having the president and the senate work with us on this issue and deal with the long term spending problems. We cannot it continue to borrow 2 billion a day, 2 billion a day to keep the lights on. And that is what is currently happening happeni happening. I dont think a lot of folks would disagree that having a conversation about long term spending is a legitimate conversation to have. Takes legitimate conversation. But i think a lot of folk takes issue with how that conversation is being had. Weve been trying to get them to work with us for five years. Last question. Really quickly. Youve been of course a steadfast opponent to obama care since its inception. According to this new nbc news wall street journal poll, the law is gaining support now, 38 say obama care is a good idea versus 43 who say its a bad idea. A major bump from the 31 to 44 just last month. How do you dispute the fact that digging in your heels in opposition to the law seems to be making more people in favor of it. Well, what we have to realize is obama care started out as an 863 billion access to insurance program. It is now according to the Congressional Budget Office a 2. 6 trillion takeover of health care. You at the present time answer my question. Yes, i am. Its too expensive to afford. You just gave me a talking point. The question was how did you respond to the fact that the approval numbers i gave you a fact, not a talk point. But you didnt answer the question. The question was how do you respond to the fact that the law seems to be more popular now than it was just a month ago. I guess people are choosing sides. What we do know is that the website doesnt work and it is more expensive. Cost of insurance is skyrocketing. And people are paying more and getting less. Thats the result were hearing. Im out of time. 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Well, this is being a waurd, b awkward, but the government has shut down. Turns out im the only exception employee in the place. Bruce willis there channeling his armageddon astronaut on saturday night live. Kicks off todays medical playground. Former Vice President ial candidate sarah palin hitting the ckam campaign trail in new y saturday to endorse senator lonegan. But she was using crib notes that she wrote on her palm trashing cory booker. You might remember she was criticized for doing the same thing at a Tea Party Convention back in 2010. And that says leader, not tweeter. And everybody enjoy as good game of football including mitt romney. He did some tailgating at the ole miss game. He was joined by Texas Governor and texas a and m alum rick perry and also mississippi governor phil bryant. I was made to work. Make my mark with pride. Create moments of value. Build character through quality. And earn the right to be called a classic. The lands end no iron dress shirt. 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Meanwhile, back here, severe strain of bacteria found in saltwater has killed at least ten people with 32 known infections across florida. People can get infected by eating raw tainted shellfish or coming in contact with the bacteria in warm sea water. For 30 years, jim any carter and his wife have traveled around the world building housing for families in need. M carter and his wife have traveled around the world building housing for families in need. And his wife have traveled around the world building housing for families in need. This week they were in new york city helping those still recovering from hurricane sandy. Richard lui sat down with the carters to get his take on the Government Shutdown, defaulting on the debt and why jimmy carter has full faith in speaker john boehner. Reporter president carter holds the record, he had more Government Shutdowns than any president in history. Five. His perspective on whats happening today . It would be a global tragedy. Reporter carters warning the additional showdown over the debt ceiling could lead to default. The rep putation of our couny could be damaged. Weve already damaged it as the leading sdd because the shutdown of our government has given a bad name even for democracy itself. Reporter at a break at the carters annual habitat for humanity build, carter reminds us though his struggles with congress were also related to health care funding, they didnt involve a default. Only the budget. And he says todays stakes are much greater. To default on americas at the times would be a tragedy that would far exceed anything weve known financially in this country since the Founding Fathers created the constitution. Reporter nevertheless, the 39th president thinks the default will be prevented. And part of that solution will be the House Speaker facing off the tea party and the likes of ted cruz. I know john boehner ferry well. Hes not a coward. He has a difficult fragmented republican party. Hes not a cow. He has a difficult fragmented republican party. Well. Hes not a coward. He has a difficult fragmented republican party. I think boehner will show hes not a coward, hes a capable, courageous respectable person. Reporter at 89, reme mains in xlun willity work and also medal east peace. He shared how the new iranian president might represent opportunities and talks on that countrys nuclear ambitions. I know rouhani knows a lot about western culture. He knows about how to negotiate with america and Great Britain it and france and germany and russia as you know. I think he also is cape able of understanding the tremendous pressures that are on iranians. Because of the embargoes and economic restraints is damaging his own cewn country. So i think compared to what weve had in the last eight or ten years in iran, we have a very good prospect in the new president rouhani to negotiate a reasonable agreement. Reporter and his thoughts on the Nobel Peace Prize not going to made l to. Reporter i didnt criticize. The carters married 67 years now rush off to meet with yet another family in need. Richard lui, msnbc new york. Nearly a billion people around the world do not have access to clean and safe Drinking Water. According to a recent report from the United Nations and the world health organization, some regions especially in africa are lagging behind because folks on which miss out on improvements to Drinking Water and sanitation, making the water supply safe for these areas in many cases have fallen to nongovernment at groups like the thirst project. Seth mitchell started the thirst project when he was 19 and its helping many in these water starved areas these day. And it is todays big idea. Seth, good to see you. Thank you so much for having us. How do you get teenagers interested in the problems of people half a world away . I dont think its hard to get them excited. Much more are incredibly capable, much more than other people give us credit for. So i think when you present us with real world issues and needs and tangible solutions to follow up on, that we can actually engaging and do something real, its easy to make something happen. You can was through this big idea, tell us how it works. How do you help get clean water to those who dont have it. There are about a billion people on the planet who dont have safe water and we build fresh water wells in developing nations and impoverished communities to give people access to safe clean water. Well hire local independent contractor, huge drilling rigs and Drilling Companies in these developing companies to then mobilize the local villages we working in, train and build wells and latrines for sanitation programs. And train communities on Maintenance Repair and build these water systems. But we do it by traveling across the u. S. , speaking at high schools and colleges to educate students, people our age, about the water crisis and then challenge those students to take action and fund raise. So weve educated about 300,000 students across the u. S. On about 320 high school and College Campuses who have done dances for water, walks for water, and they have raised about 6 million in our five year history, 100 of which has gone to building wells in 11 countries giving about a quarter Million People clean water. How did your interest in this start when you were 19 . I was living in l. A. Pursuing acting like so many other people and i had a friend who was a photojournalist for National Geographic and she came back on a trip, she had been gone quite a while, she was in different developing communities for several weeks at a time building these amazing friend ships, many of whom she watched die of dysentery at a direct result of drinking mud water simply because thats all they had being a tes to. So i started researching, found out how easy it was to build wells and mobilize and just started telling my friends, talking on our campus and then getting other people involved. For folks who are watching who might be interested in getting involved, how should they go about doing that . The best thing honestly if youre a student or a parent of a student or a teacher, bring us to your school. Thats the best way for to us get involved. There are a lot of amazing water organizations, sort of our identifier is we are the worlds leading youth water activism organization. So wed love to speak at your school. We dont charge to speak. In fact 100 of all of our admin or operational expenses are covered by a separate group of donor so is that all student and public giving can go to building wells. So bring us to your school and get involved. Give. 25 once, not once a month or once a year, once gives one person clean water. So go to thursdirst project. Org check it out. Seth, thank you sir. 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Actually when i found out about the job, orange is the new black, id been prep to go interview a woman who is in prison in minnesota and shes an africanamerican transgender woman who basically on june 5th of 2011 was defending herself and ended up one of her attackers ended up dead and she ended up in prison. So im prepare to go interview her and i was doing a lot of research trans folks in prison. About a month after the show comes out, private bradley makes headlines by announcing wants to live as a woman. Your character on the show also has to fight for hormone treatment in prison. What was it like watching the National Debate play out over Bradley Manning . Chelsea manning. Shes asked we refer to her as chelsea. Thank you for the correction. The interesting thing for me, what i immediately thought of, we have this show called orange is the new black that millions of people are connecting with and they have empathy for these folks who are incarcerated. I wondered can that empathy transfer to real people in prison. Its something that i often think about when i think of that case. On the show, we learn that your character used to live as a man. Your brother, real life brother, plays that part on the show. What was it like the first time that you worked with your brother . We actually didnt shoot on the same days. Why . Why would we be in the same place . We were the same person as the character. Jodie foster who directed that episode, they tried to make me look really butch and jodie at the present time think i looked butch enough, so they hired my brother. Never thought id hear that. There has been a great deal of talk in this country of late about just precisely how far we have evolved as a country. On lgbt rights specifically. There is a poll, 54 of people polled said samesex couples should be allowed to legally marry. A clear reversal from where people were just seven years ago where a majority were against same sex marriage. Have we evolved as quickly when it comes to transgender issues in this country . No, we havent. I dont think we have. And thursday is spirit day which is the day we hopefully go purple on our social media and we wear purple to show the world that we dont support bullies of lgbt youth. And its really about gender. When will i was bullied in alabama, on whiften antigay sl were used. But i was really bullied because of my gender expression. And that is the case for so many kids around the country. So we dont have the space in this culture for gender freedom, for people to live authentically in their gender. And its still socially sapgsed to make fun of trans people. And we need to create space where that is not okay. What kind of challenges or are there unique challenges that a transgender woman of color might have to deal with that a white transgender woman may not have to deal with . The enter ssber inser intery really play as bill rogue. The working class faces on top of their gender. And we look at the Unemployment Rate among trans people is twice the national average. Trans person of color four times. So a lot of it is really intense. And its really a state of emergency for so many trans people of color right now. Orange is the new black is all the rage now. Whats next . Well, im starting on a lecture tour. Ill be at vanderbilt on wednesday and the university of South Carolina on my old stomping grounds. Good luck to you. Come back anytime. Laverne cox, orange is the new black. Catch it on netflix. Now to inside baseball on the Government Shutdown so to speak. The ohio clock which has stood just outside the Senate Chamber since 1859 and served as location for many a Lawmaker Press conference, the clock has stopped. The workers that wind the clock have been furloughed. Mine was earned orbiting the moon in 1971. Afghanistan in 2009. On the u. S. S. Saratoga in 1982. 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Speaking of the national review, john, i want to go with robert costa here, reporting from robert a few moments ago. Senator lindsey brgraham will, quote, object to any bill unless the senate also votes on whats called the vitter amendment. The vitter amendment will end federal contributions to federal health care plans. In this is indeed the case, how does this further complicate john as well. We can all chime in. How does this further complicate any chance of a deal. It embarrasses congress. What theyve done is given themselves a special privilege which is voters will not proe t appreciate. If they vote in favor of keeping that special privilege, they will not be forced to go on the health care exchanges, the voters may be very angry. Why tie that in any way, shape or form to raising the debt ceiling or opening the government . Thats the ridiculous part of it. I think all of this goes down to the fact that obama care is the law. Its a law. Not a bill. Not a debate. We led to the Government Shutdown over something thats already the law. Been passed by congress. Approved by the supreme court. The debate over that should be over. There was an election that a lot of people say was sort of a referendum on it. Not on this vitter amendment. This vitter amendment is new because the congressional exemption is new. Why tie it to this . Its just a vote. Thats all it is. No, no. Senator graham is saying he will object if this is not connected to it. No, no, no. He has not said he will object if it doesnt pass. He said he will object if no vote is allowed on it. Why vote on that now . Why not open the government first . Its been in the news. 92 of americans say they dont like it. Again, john, why not open the portion of the federal government thats still why not open the government first. We used to have something youre not going to answer. I just did. Im about to. Okay. We used to have something called Appropriations Bills. The government was divided up into 13 parts. This would go through the house and the senate and then would go to the president. It was piecemeal 13 parts. Thats how the budget used to be handled. Until four years ago. Since then the senate and the house havent passed a proper budget. We are going back to regular order. Pass the government in pieces. Thats what has been done. The government has been passed in pieces and sent over. This his to make members of congress pay a price for the health care bill. Personal price. They and their staffs will have to go on the exchanges. The public will be glad to see that. If they vote to exempt themselves its going to be a voter rebellion against them. Headlines quickly. Almost out of time. Whats your headline, thursday, again, real threat of default. Depending on who you listen to, who you read. The threat of default is real. What is your headline come thursday of this week, october 17th . The gop is scrambling to recover from the crisis they created. Thats your headline. Yes. Bill schneider . Default or not default. That is the question. Thats good. I like what you did. Bill, youve covered youve spent a lot of time covering crises. Real and manufactured. What do you think . Do you think come thursday this is something that that were still talking about . Do you think theres well be talking about it because itll go right up to the last minute, last second. Heres the underlying rule. We cant solve problems in this country unless we turn them into a crisis. We have to manufacture crises in order to deal with issues. Thats the only way policies get done here. Your headline, john . Bill is right. Its sad. Washington spins its wheels yet again. What do you think happens . How does this play out . Well have three or four more days of argument and posturing. And the government will reopen and therell be some concessions made to republican concerns. Whether or not obama care is part of that, i dont know. It shouldnt be a part of it. Whats going to be interesting, also, we talk about thursday. If you look at the sheer timetable of this thing, lets say the senate gets something done on tuesday. It does not leave the 435 members of the house a great deal of time to go back and forth. 85 of the government is open and functioning as normal. This is not a shutdown. This is a slimdown. No, no, no. No, no, no. There are mothers not getting formula for their babies. People not able to go into work and pay their bills or pay their mortgages because theyre furloughed. Forced furloughed. These are middle class, working class people. Its already been allocated wait a minute, john. Thats easy to say for someone who doesnt live paycheck to paycheck. I talked to a woman this morning furloughed from nasa, down in virginia. I made that point. Congress is going to give you back pay. Her response to me was, if it goes on for two or three weeks, what does that mean . I dont get a check for four or five weeks. Im not in favor of the Government Shutdown. Im explaining why it can go on for a few more days. You said its a government hitdown. That is what it is. 85 is functioning normally. Fits a slim down if you dont rely on the government for your paycheck. Its a slim down for many people in this country. But there are a concentration of people for whom this is a radical crash time. Im not defending government. This is not me depending government. Sometimes ridiculousness should be calmed ridiculousness. The National Debt growing by a trillion dollars a year and by half a trillion under bush, those are ridiculous. That has to be stopped. Zerlina maxwell, bill schneider, john fund. I enjoyed you. Disrupt up next with karen finney. Customers not happy, im not happy. Sales go down, im not happy. Merch comes back, im not happy. Use ups. They make returns easy. 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