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have been pretty dismal, so this report showing 103,000 jobs added overall, including in the health care sector, construction sector, manufacturing did go down a bit, some economists saying that is disconcerning. here is what the white house top economic advisor, gene sperling, had to say. >> better than expected, not nearly what we need. the president, as you heard him say yesterday, does not believe there's any excuse or reason that anyone in washington should be sitting on their hands and doing nothing. >> reporter: so to that point, moving forward, thomas, we will continue to see president obama try to turn up the heat on republicans to pass his jobs bill. we saw that yesterday when he held that news conference and warned that the economy could slip back into another recession if the jobs bill isn't passed. he's really been traveling around the country doing this, trying to turn up the heat, taking on a more combative tone, it's not clear if it's working, though, because republicans have accused the president of playing politics with this issue. >> kristen welker at the white house, kristen, thanks. jerad bernstein is an msnbc contributor and former chief economist for vice president joe biden. let's get straight to it. there is good news, 137,000 private sector jobs added, last month's zero jobs number revised to 57,000. the bad news, unemployment rate still stuck, so break the report down for us and explain why we're not seeing the movement. >> sure, that 9.1%, we've been stuck in that range since april, so we've achieved a kind of shaky stability, but at much too high a level of underutilization. we have 14 million unemployed people. look, if you go back to the end of 2010 to about april this year, we were adding about 166,000 jobs per month on average. it was enough to take about a point on the unemployment rate, it was 10%, now it's 9%. we've been adding 70,000 jobs a month on average. it's enough to stay stuck where you are, i call it a shaky stability, because there's all these threatening head winds out there, there's europe, there's the political dysfunction that you've been talking about. if we can't get some of these plans on the table to give this job market a boost, there's no obvious reason the unemployment rate would come down any time soon. >> i want to play a piece that one of your former bosses said in an interview that's raising a lot of eyebrows, take a listen. >> the american people are dissatisfied for the state of the nation at the moment. that all by itself is enough to make you the underdog. >> is it strong enough as a republican party to beat this president? >> absolutely, absolutely, it's strong enough to beat both of us. >> all right, is vice president biden really building on this idea they are truly the underdogs or does that comment undermine what the president is doing politically and his clout in d.c.? >> i think it's very much the former look. as i said in my last comment, if nothing is done, and what's so important, on the other side of the room we have good plans on the table, they are going to get the unemployment rate moving in the right direction if we can get this jobs act, this fiscal boost, into the economy. the f.e.d.s trying to help, but monetary on its own isn't going to do it. the vice president is saying absence in momentum going in the right direction it's a tough lift because you're looking at an unemployment rate that's 9% now, could be 9% a year from now or could be higher. >> certainly much of what's going on here in terms of the economic crisis is tied to what is happening across the pond in europe, take a listen to this, this is allen greenpan on cnbc this morning. >> if europe wasn't out there, we'd have the same problems we've always had, which is basically construction in the united states, but we would not be having the threat to our overall economy. >> in layman's terms, break it down more for us. >> it's both. you've got europe, when you talk about the european union, you're talking about an economy that's actually larger than ours, you're talking about a population that's larger than ours. they suck in about 20% of our exports. we have tremendous investment in europe. not so much american banks holding the bad debt. it's much less of a banking issue than it is a global connection issue, and if they are doing poorly, the contagion affect, it's not something out there, it's something already causeding some shakiness in our economy. once again, there are solutions to that inject iin ining liquidity, but they have a 17-dimension problem over there, because that's how many problems are in the european union. if policy makers are leaving their solutions on the table there, makes it that much harder to get out of this mess sooner. >> jerad bernstein, great to see you, thanks. right now the romney team is at charleston, carolina. a major address in a key state in the race to face president obama. we're going to monitor that and bring you any news as it happens. a new twist when it comes to the occupy wall street movement that's happening more and more. here's a look at the federal reserve building in washington, d.c. it looks empty now, but a rally is expected soon. in the meantime, new wall street demonstrations are popping up daily. these are pictures in portland, oregon, trenton, new jersey, philadelphia, and tampa, florida. >> whether republican or democrat, there's a lot of common interest everybody has with the intersection the country's going for. enough's enough. >> we're not trying to overthrow the constitution. we're just trying to express ourselves and say hey, america is about all of us. >> protests are scheduled for atlanta, minneapolis, san diego, even washington. i want to bring in matt britain, the ceo and founder of mr. youth. victoria perell is a student, and lauren welker is the spokesperson for the occupy austin movement. lauren, i want to start with you. let's begin with your thoughts and what you think protestors and the tea party might have more in common than some may have first given recognition to. >> right, so really this is all about getting people involved in the democratic process. americans have been asleep for the last 30 years, an apathetic towards their government and look what's happened. there's a lot of focus on the financial corruption of our government and how that influences their decision and policy making. >> matt, the basics of this a lot of people would look at it as a liberal movement, however, as we're hearing they are not worried right or left, they are worried what this government is doing, what democracy really stands for, and how do we get greed out of washington, d.c. when you think and look back at what's taking place and how this is growing around the country right now, do you think that the message is working? >> well, i mean, it's in the eye of the beholder. people are going out and raising their voice loud and spreading their voices on social media to try to be heard. whether or not it works within the government, i think, is a different story. they look at it as a way of expressing themselves with their peers and people listening to them. >> are protestors angry with president obama? >> i think protestors are certainly angry with the economy, they are angry with the culture of this country, and young people especially are angry about the future that's laid about before them. >> republican presidential candidate herman cain said if the protestors are poor they have no one to blame but themselves. take a listen to this. >> my comment was directed at the people who were choosing to demonstrate against those on wall street rather than demonstrate against a white house, which is responsible for any effective policy that will impact this economy. that's where they ought to be demonstrating, and that was where my comment was directed, not at the people who are unemployed for no reason of their own. >> i want your thoughts about hearing herman cain make a statement like that. do you think these type of demonstrations need to move directly to the white house itself? >> no, i don't think the white house itself is to blame for the entire economy's problems right now. i think fiscal policy is a tool that can be used to help in some of these issues, but ultimately if we believe in a free market system, it's not the white house directing things right now. >> lauren, where does this ultimately go? >> this is going to go until our elected officials recognize the people are the supreme authority in this country. it's we the people of the united states of america, not we the corporations. >> what are young people saying about their experiences in the economy? >> there's a new movement going on right now that's called occupy college where this is starting to spread to students who have a clear vision of what they think they are protesting against. they feel that they are entering a world where 2/3outheir future. unlike occupy wall street movement which is all over the map, they have a clear vision of what they want to change for their future. >> victoria, you can speak to that as being a student. that's my grandfather's alma mater, but what is the tone there for students you're involved with? >> well, a group of us who have been involved in the occupy boston movement came together on monday when this occupy colleges movement began, and we had about 36 hours, because on wednesday there was a national student walk-out. in those 36 hours, we mobilized more than 100 students to walk out of their classrooms. we had about 200 march with us from our campus to the downtown boston occupy site. i think that really shows that young people want to be involved, students especially, are tuned into these issues, and that we really want to have a voice in this movement. >> certainly people taking notice of unified voices, matt britain, ceo and founder of mr. youth, victoria and lauren welker, thanks to all of you. msnbc host chris hayes is making the protests a big part of his show on saturday. he's going to join me live this hour to discuss the growing movement coming up at 11:30 eastern time, so stick with us for that. stunning new developments in the search for a missing girl. this as the parents plead for their daughter's safe return. >> they said that i failed, and i continued to say that's not possible, because i don't know where she's at. i did not do this. >> is the couple now under suspicion, and find out what happened when the mother took a lie detector test. montrose pet- montrose, california. ♪ in here, anarchy meets order. working with at&t, doctors set up a broadband solution to handle data and a mobility app to stay connected with their business. so they can run the office... even when they're not in the office. it's a network of possibilities -- helping you do what you do... even better. call at&t and see what we can do for your business. when i got my medicare card, i realized i needed an aarp... medicare supplement insurance card, too. medicare is one of the great things about turning 65, but it doesn't cover everything. in fact, it only pays up to 80% of your part b expenses. if you're already on or eligible for medicare, call now to find out how an aarp... medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company, helps cover some of the medical expenses... not paid by medicare part b. that can save you up to thousands of dollars. these are the only medicare supplement insurance plans... exclusively endorsed by aarp. when you call now, you'll get this free information kit... and guide to understanding medicare, i can keep my own doctor and choose my own hospital. and i don't need a referral to see a specialist. as with all medicare supplement plans, and help pay for what medicare doesn't. call this toll-free number now... please, please, please, call the tips hotline if you know where she's at. if you have her, please, take her somewhere safe. >> the mother of a missing baby in kansas city, missouri, makes her latest desperate plea. and major developments now on day four of the search for 10-month-old lisa irwin. at a news conference police said lisa's parents are no longer cooperating with nrinvestigator. >> they said i failed, and i continued to say that's not possible, because i -- i don't know where she's at, i did not do this. >> now, lisa's father says he has not been asked yet to take a lie detector test but would be willing to do so. he also says why he thinks police said he and lisa's mom are no longer cooperating. >> we were at the station yesterday, being interviewed again, and i just had reached my boiling point, and i asked them, i said guys, i can't do this anymore today, i need a break. i can't answer anymore questions. then we asked to leave, and then the next thing we knew, it was the press conference yesterday evening. >> investigative crime reporter joins us live, michelle, what do you make of this back and forth between the parents and police, and also the fact the baby's mom admitted to failing this lie detector test? >> this is -- in any type of these investigations, the last people to see the missing person are always the first that have to be ruled out, and it's stressful, it's time consuming, it's -- every emotion you could possibly imagine under the sun, thomas, and so this family, they've come forward, and they are trying to work with police and investigators, and, of course, they did speak out this morning and say that is the case. i spoke with captain young and what he told me is we've had detectives at the station last night, all day this morning, we haven't seen them. that's great if they want to cooperate, come on down, let's keep this situation moving forward. on day four, they are basically back to square one unfortunately. >> michelle, when we talk about this, because relatives are saying police are trying to pit the mom and dad against each other, when we look at these pictures of baby lisa, our hearts go out to them. we look at the parents, we want to believe them and find this baby safe and sound and bring her home, but why are police maybe using a tactic like this in this case? >> they are going to use every tactic in this case. i asked about sex offenders, surveillance, i asked all kinds of questions. he said everything you're asking me we've done times three, and they'll continue to do that, along with the searches, along with questioning family members, questioning friends, figuring out, you know, the cell phones. there were three cell phones allegedly that were inside of the home that they said were gone. all the lights were left on, the baby was missing, you know, stranger abductions are not very common, but it does happen. sarah foxwell was taken in the middle of the night two years ago on christmas. danielle van dam, haley cummings is still missing out of florida, so these cases do, in fact, happen. so they have to gather as much information as possible from everyone involved. the geographical search is now off, but investigators will continue to move out as priority tips come in. >> real quickly, parents saying they first discovered lisa gone at 4:00 a.m., they say the front door was unlocked, window open, lights in the house were on, three cell phones also gone. that would suggest a kidnapper climbed in the house through the only window without a screen and walked down the hall, snatched the baby, or an intruder may have come through the front door, so when you have the easy access, where do investigators go from here? >> well, at this particular point, they collected a lot of evidence from that house, so i'm sure they are shifting through it, they are checking, you know, foot tracks throughout the house, are things adding up, is there any kind of other evidence or dna left behind? they are going through things with a fine-toothed comb and using every resource available. like i said, at this point, unfortunately on day four, they are not any further than the first day. i was told by the captain, look, we got in a few tips we were really excited about. unfortunately they didn't pan out. it's going to be a little back and forth, especially over the weekend, and hopefully over the next couple of days we'll have more investigation to go on. >> michelle, have a great weekend, thank you. more than 1,800 u.s. soldiers has died in the longest war in the nation's history. ten years since the war in afghanistan, where are we now and where are we going? 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[ cheers and applause ] >> mitt romney making his case to lead america during a major foreign policy speech in south carolina. romney is outlining his proposals to strengthen the military and reject multilateral institutions like the united nations. delivering that speech in charleston, south carolina. it is hard to believe, but ten years ago today american and coalition forces launched operation freedom, and today american forces are still in afghanistan. over the past decade, nearly 1,700 lives have been lost, and the cost $338 billion. right now we're spending $8 million a month there. she joins me this morning from kabul as well as mccaffrey. ten years later, how do the troops feel about where the mission stands right now, and we learned from a study of 9/11 vets, some don't feel iraq and afghanistan was really worth it. >> reporter: that's an interesting question, because when you look at the u.s. troops on the ground in afghanistan, today it's an eclectic mix of troops. you have veterans of the last two wars in iraq and afghanistan who have been on deployment after deployment and are exhausted right now, but you have young soldiers, marines, airmen, and soldiers here who were just kids when 9/11 happened and they are fresh to the fight. many of the service members i've spoke to in afghanistan will tell you they do believe in the mission that they are here for a reason, and that they are following the orders that are given to them. they might have different ideas, but at the same time they have to listen to their commanding generals. >> general, the goal is to get u.s. combat troops out by 2014. is that still a realistic goal date? >> sure. i don't think the president has an option. 2/3 of the american people have walked away from this war, 16,000 killed and wounded, he's got to respond to those political realities, but to underscore what atia was saying, a milon troops have served multiple combat tours in iraq and aversion. i don't think the military is going to falter, the question is the politics of it, with us announcing to the taliban we're out of here by 2014, by next summer, 30,000 troops draw down, what's the likely outcome, that's the question on the table. >> atia, what are the clear signs of success and what are the true stumbling blocks, taking over the protection of their own country in 2014? >> reporter: well, going back to what the general said right now, when you talk to analysts and experts in afghanistan who've been here for several years and following the war, if the mission was a failure, it won't be a military failure, it will be a diplomatic, a political failure. if you look at the administration and relationship with the obama administration, it's very strained, and if you don't have a positive relationship between these two governments, it's really hard to see what the future holds for afghanistan. when you look at the afghan security forces, the main goal right now is to get these forces to secure their own country. right now it has been about quantity, raising these numbers of the forces in the afghan military, but quality. that's the issue right now, and the quality's not there. and just to touch on one more thing when it comes to the afghan security forces, it's nationalism. you can't have a good military force if they don't believe in the country that they are fighting for. >> general, when we talk about that, let's ask what you think of the role pakistan is going to play in afghanistan security moving forward. >> well, there's a huge focus on pakistan, four states under one weak federal government, pakistani armed forces is the only thing holding it together. they got nuclear weapons, the reality is they also hear the u.s. is leaving by the end of 0 10 -- 2014. they never did control the tribal areas, i think there's been undo focus on the problem in pakistan. the question is internally in afghanistan, we have an afghan army that's appearing, can we create a government and a police force internally that will maintain security? the jury's out, thomas, on that whole issue. >> atia in kabul, and general mccaffrey, thanks to both of you. it's a big question, we're going to talk to msnbc's chris hayes weighing in on that and whether the president can turn the wage against wall street to his political advantage next. cad gives you a 50% annual bonus! so you earn 50% more cash. according to research, everybody likes more cash. well, almost everybody... ♪ would you like 50% more cash? no! but it's more money. 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>> what i think is interesting about the jobs report and the current political situation is that we are in this bizarre limbo, which seems to sort of extend out indefinitely, in which there's a little jobs growth, but not enough to bring down the unemployment, but we're also not in a free fall catastrophic situation, not in a losing 800,000 jobs a month, and the politics of this sort of strange, frustrating limbo is a very distinct one. it's unlike anything i've ever seen in my time observing politics, and i think both sides are trying to figure out how to campaign and make an argument in this kind of context. >> it's a sputter stop type of economy right now, meanwhile, we have occupy wall street, which i know you have a firm opinion of what you think about the protests. they are growing and blossoming maybe into occupy the federal reserve, occupy college, so explain where this branding is going to go but also where it's collectively coming from, especially when a lot of people can't give you a mission statement. >> it's an expression of frustration and a sense of deep betrayal and anger at the powers that be, the powers that be, who in the phrasing of a lot of the occupy wall street people is the top 1%, we are the 99%, and the people that have screwed this up are the top 1%, and it is a manifestation of very widespread discontent and distrust in the main pillar institutions in the public and private sector, and you're seeing it, it's something that for every one person down there protesting, banging a drum, holding a sign, there's hundreds of thousands of people who feel the same way about the degree of competence that's operating at the highest levels, because people really feel things are broken. >> who's going to take them seriously? >> well, i think in the beginning it was very tempting to dismiss them, i myself was somewhat dismissive towards them, but i was downtown on wednesday and there were thousands and thousands of people in the street. there's occupy solidarity movements happening in 50 states across the union right now, the more it grows, the harder it is to ignore, and there's going to have to be some kind of turn towards demands for it to kind of gain the next stage of momentum, but it's hard to ignore when it is so closely on the geist of the popular opinion about what's going on in the country right now, which is the overriding frustration, sense of betrayal, that they have not escaped scot-free but doing better than everyone else. >> when we look at what's taking place in washington, d.c., doesn't seem anybody can get along. we have bipartisan in the senate with democrats and republicans bickering on the china currency bill, protecting the president's jobs bill, take a listen to this. >> am i 100% sure i'm right? no, but i feel pretty comfortable with what we've done. there has been to be an end to tactics to stop this. my friend, republican leader, says his number one goal is to defeat president obama, and that's what's been going on for nine months here. >> the fundamental problem here is the majority never likes to take votes. that's the core problem. the price of being in the majority is you have to take bad votes. because in the united states senate, the minority is entitled to be heard, not entitled to win, but entitled to be heard. >> is this just like a staring contest almost, who's going to blink first, because they can't get along, can't get along, can't come to any consensus, they should be learning from it, but they are not. they are doing the same old tricks. >> there's two tracks to this, one was a procedural issue about how they were going to hold the vote, which is in some ways less important than the issue they actually have deeply different substantiative visions of how to go forward. the democratic party by and large wants to pass a package of measures that are fairly centrist and kind of consensus measures among economists, think will help the economy. not completely correct it, not get us down to 4% unemployment, but create jobs, stop teacher layoffs, allow us to get reconstruction jobs going. the republicans don't want that. they don't believe in it, don't want to see it happen. so my sense is it's deeper than bickering. it's actually there are two opposing visions of what the next step should be in this economy, and the two parties are squaring off on how to go forward. >> you having fun on weekends? >> loving it. >> it's good stuff. programming note, "up with chris hayes" on saturday, much more with you, occupy wall street, naomi kline at 7:00 a.m. tomorrow and 8:00 a.m. on sunday here on msnbc. chris, good to see you. we are less than ten minutes away in the trial of michael jackson's doctor. prosecutors are planning to play a tape explaining what happened the morning jackson died. in the meantime, murray's team is suggesting the coroner's investigator made several mistakes, even leaving her own fingerprint on a vile of propofol. the defense also asked her why it took two years for her to tell prosecutors she saw a bottle of propofol in an i.v. bag in jackson's room. >> i don't remember the date. >> was it in 2011? >> i really don't remember. >> was it in response to a conversation about one of their witnesses saying he saw a vile in a bag? >> no, i've never discussed another witness with them. >> you don't even remember talking with them about it, do you? >> i know i didn't talk about another witness. >> joining me now, i have to say after watching that testimony, i don't know of what to make of her on the witness stand. she does admit she would have done things differently, but you remember where you were when you learned michael jackson died, i remember where i was, if i was assigned to be on that case, i would remember everything about it. >> i think that's true, and the idea is she's not only sloppy but she forgets to put in her report for two years the very critical factor involving propofol, which is, of course, the instrument of death, i mean, this is a good point for the defense. the real issue, thomas, is can the defense make that stick with the jury in light of all of the negligence of conrad murray. >> apparently detailing all the drugs murray was giving to jackson. how can the defense spin this? >> this is critical for the defense. the defense has to absolutely take this tape and make dr. murray seem to be something other than what we think he is. remember this, thomas, dr. murray is very unlikely to take the witness stand, so this may be the only time that we hear from him, so the defense has to say that the drugs that he was giving michael jackson were there in part to wean him off from his dependence on dr. arnold kline's demeral and get him to sleep. >> as always, great to see you, thank you. americans getting squeezed everywhere they go, from banks to their electric bill. do companies have the right to hike fees where they see fit? what you can do to help yourself from getting squeezed further. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the peace of mind of owning a 2011 iihs top safety pick. the all-new volkswagen passat. i took some steep risks in my teens. i'd never ride without one now. and since my doctor prescribed lipitor, i won't go without it for my high cholesterol and my risk of heart attack. why kid myself? 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