exnumber of years, but that's already kind of a reality, that putin understands. ukraine is far from meeting the qualifications that would allow it to be admitted to nato. and you know, his grievances are purportedly so much larger than that. one possibility is that he's playing for some kind of leverage in these ongoing peace talks within ukraine that are trying to resolve the separatist war that has been underway there since 2014. and that he wants better terms or more engagement by europe and can the europeans to gain more of an advantage in the conflict that's already underway there. that would be a hopeful interpretation, but that's really all that he wants. but i have to say, this is kind of -- this is a lot of sound and fury just to achieve that. >> and it's so fascinating to look at history and what was going on. for example, 31st of august, 1939, versus the first of september, 1939. on the 31st, there was still the possibility of negotiating with hitler to see if he wouldn't invade poland, and then look what happened a day after, you
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