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the face of this pressure that we anticipate he'll get? >> well, hallie, you make' very good point. there's no question there is is going to be pushback and maybe ferocious pushback within new york city and externally. if you think about this, i'm in public health and a physician but the discussion about mandates has really left the arena of doctors and health care professionals and it's now in this sort of crazy world of politics, and politics are driving some of the, you know, ignorant steps or bands on mandates that are being taken elsewhere in the country. it's just what governor desantis and florida and abbott in texas are proposing and trying to do. everybody knows that vaccines are the way out of this horrible deadly morass we're in with the pandemic and to stand in the way of mandating vaccines is nuts

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