base. >> yes. exactly. they have. and it is, look, these leaders are so weak that they're afraid to tell their own followers the truth. that is a sign of weakness. but chris krebs is absolutely right. what's happened is all of this has gotten totally out of control. it's like they thought we could have a controlled burn, a controlled camp fire, and instead, you have this raging conflagration and they don't know what to do except to go along with it. to frank's point, we have had surveys showing a majority of trump voters would support secession. there is irresponsible, reckless talk of civil war. this is a moment at which americans are increasingly looking at one another with distrust, with loathing, with fear. there's a possibility we will pull apart. and what does donald trump do? he figures that this is exactly the chaos that he needs to launch his revenge tour and he's pouring kerosene on it so it is a dangerous moment that's
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