our sense of democracy and was a tribal country and was going to revert back to a tribal country the minute we took our hands off of it. that's the fundamental problem and that's what we need to understand. >> julian, some of the conversation in national security circles wasn't seriously considered by donald trump either and that was leaving a number of troops there to have eyes and ears on the ground, to make sure that al qaeda didn't regain its foothold or another terrorist group that threatened our country. the president seemed willing to address that as well, to discuss terror threats all over the world in places where we don't have the military. but it's an important piece for people to understand that for donald trump and joe biden, who saw the world in completely opposite ways, neither man had staying in afghanistan indefinitely on their to do