and then ten, 15 years later, they come back and, "oh, it wasn't you," or that kind of thing, and then they've been in trouble for it for a long time. >> yeah. >> can i get your card, though, and come back, and just so i can think about everything and talk to my mom or whatever? and if they're like, "yeah, this is what they normally do, type thing," and just come and see you guys? >> is that okay? >> yeah. >> what -- what did you make of his demeanor that first time when you went to go see him? >> well, you know, he was friendly. he was acting like he was concerned, but it was almost an act. >> and then -- well -- >> but then he wouldn't give his dna. -- and we all thought how odd for a man of that age to say they wanted to talk to their mom. his wife is right there. he's, what, in his thirties and suddenly he's wanting to talk to his mom. and so we're like, "is his mom a lawyer?" and, you know, just -- the whole thing seemed suddenly very odd and a big red flag, yeah. >> and he seemed like a bad actor -- >> yeah. >> -- when i spoke with him. it seemed like he was putting on an act. it wasn't genuine to me. >> before she left hansen's
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