iowa going first does not take away from other states' abilities to hold primaries. it adds to the conversation. he goes on to add that iowa, quote, provides the perfect grass-roots opportunity for candidates who don't have the name recognition or funding to break through in larger states. do you think that there could be backlash -- could they face backlash in iowa if a candidate goes to another state first? >> maybe. i guess any state could get hurt feelings if they are not picked first. i think iowa and the folks in iowa in the democratic party need to look at where the party is headed and the demographics of the party. the most recent runoff was in georgia. that happened because of black, brown and indigenous turnout. those voters are not really frankly represented in high numbers in the state of iowa. while it is grass-roots and less expensive, that is true, you could do the same type of