putting their finger on the scale here. >> really quickly, i want to ask you the same exact question, because as an immigration rights lawyer, you are on the ground constantly. you're having conversations with different people, so again, to you, why has it been so hard for this country to come to terms with what happened three years ago? >> i think that the rhetoric of the current debate, whether it's around trump, whether it's about immigration, there's huge amounts of polarization on both sides. so people can't even agree on what the fundamental problems are. take the migration crisis right now. no one can agree on what the causes or the solution is, but republicans keep pushing the debate further to the right, and that's going to make it harder for us to come and find solutions. >> what do you make of the nbc video that we showed on the screen, as i was reading the introduction. i ask you this because i would love to get your reaction in terms of what you make of the faces of those folks? their determination to really overturn the election, their
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