partner, they will think twice about our commitments to taiwan. we want to respect the sovereignty of nations. that's what we do. others didn't in the past, we have to be credible on that. >> >> to your analogy, is russia's game over ukraine, is vladimir putin's demand over taiwan -- because we have never really declared ijuan independent? >> exactly wbl ukraine is sovereign. >> ukraine, mil tearly, we promised $60 million when zalinsky was visiting earlier