more what the end game of putin is bring in a former cia operative and author of a book "the unexpected spy." tracking down some of the world the most notorious terrorists. talk to us about putin's motivations. what he wants out of a conflict with ukraine? >> thank you for having me on. i think, really, he wants two things to over simplify it. a completely neutral ukraine or a ukraine that is sovereign to russia. i believe he's leaning towards the latter. they wants it sovereign to russia. a nor report indicating he has people to go, ready to reinstate a parliamentary government back into ukraine and most are those who fled ukraine to moscow in 2014. i think putin already knows, knew months ago, how he wanted
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