and he was the spokesperson of the mayor, never denounced that. so, the rudy giuliani that people are trying to act like they're shocked at seeing now, that's who he is! whether you agree with him or not, i must say, he's been consistent in terms of those of us that's known him. that's the rudy we marched on. >> yeah. i mean, i'm glad you mentioned mayor dinkins, because in a lot of ways, his takeover of new york city after david dinkins is sort of equivalent to the way that donald trump has been sort of a reaction to president obama. >> absolutely. david dinkins was elected in '89 talking about the gorgeous mosaic bringing the city together. he was defeated in '93 by rudy giuliani. rudy giuliani, who benefited from a report on the crown heights riots that condemned the dinkins administration in large part, even though it exonerated a lot of the activists that they claim were there, weren't there. but they were very, in my opinion, very unfair in the
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