we don't really know exactly. >> though things, we don't know. we are still waiting to get that information. and we talked about the kind of message israel is trying to send to iran. and there is now an attempt to deescalate. but it will go back to even though this has now entered a different sort of phase. red lines have crossed. the shadow wars will also continue between the two. >> yes, this is a multidimensional war and the change was the puppet master came for the first time out from behind the curtain and attacked israel directly. that was unsuccessful but on the other hand, it was carried out and that is a very new thing. and iran is now operating openly with hamas. with hezbollah. with the houthis in this war it initiated against israel on october 7th. >> and caroline, the iranians are indicating that this is in
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