executive and the congress try to work it out. the congress has executive privilege claims that he or she may want to make and the congress wants the testimony and they try to work out some accommodations so that the president can protect the privilege to some extent but the congress receives the information that it wants. but now we're in impeachment. and the congress is making the case, and i think it is obviously a very strong case, that the impeachment power is when congress's demand for the information is as its apex. it is when there isn't a defense against providing that information except bolton and cupperman want to know where the conversations between the president and the senior aids implicates sensitive national security matters. >> final question for you. you have always struck me as a very careful lawyer. you were white house counsel when one has to be quite careful in that position. rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer, though, on the basis of that is a little unclear. he's not getting paid for that. there is a headline today he's
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