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he in his lifetime cannot reflect on anyone who understands the process better than lbj and how this works. do you agree? was that his mastery? >> i certainly -- you know, there's no question. he was a master of the legislative process. there are very few who rival lbj. he understood not only the legislative process, but he understood the legislators with whom he was dealing and he knew that one tactic that might work for you might not work for another, so flattery might work for you, cajoling might work for me. these were things he understood intuitively. hubert humphrey said he was like a psychiatrist, he could read into your mind and psyche and know what motivated you and know that what motivated you, alex, might be very different than what motivated me. >> sound like a talent for a president to have, mark. thank you for sharing, good to see you. that's going to do it for me. i'll see you again tomorrow at noon eastern. my friend, yasmin vossoughian, continues our coverage. our covee

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