Is that this vote will be very tight and very tense. So our question today on quadriga, should the u. K. Stay or go . I am joined by three seasoned observers and analysts, beginning with derek scally, who is from the irish times, and says brexit is merely a symptom for a long deepseated eu illness. Also with us is alan posener, a regular commentator for berlin who believes that brexit would be a catastrophe that would lead to the dissolution of the European Union. And welcome to ulrike herrmann, a Business Editor and writer at the tageszeitung, who says a brexit would not be as bad as it seems for the eu because the british would be forced to adopt all the key eu loss. Say a disaster might be just days away. Tell us about the disaster. Alan the disaster goes like this. Britain leaves. Aere is a disaster, in that man like Boris Johnson might become Prime Minister, which is disastrous for britain. Talk about europe. Camp in places like france, 61 of the population unfavorable of the eu, they demand a referendum. In denmark, they demand a referendum, where there is an antieuropean party with more votes than any other party. In poland, people demand a referendum, and the whole thing starts to fall apart, the whole project starts to fall apart. Permany is left with a few rum states hoping for handoffs from the german table, and that is cast as the European Union, which is really just a neocolonial project. This, i admit, is the worst possible outcome, but it is not totally unrealistic. Thats the terrible thing. Peter ulrike, do you buy into this . Ulrike i dont. Politically, europe might be divided, but economically we are bound together. It is a very small continent, with very tight economic affairs. It is impossible to somehow get independent economically, and that is something the british are going to realize. Look at countries like norway, or switzerland, or iceland. They do not belong to the eu, but nonetheless they are forced so implement european losaw to be able to trade with the European Union. The same would happen with britain. We would be no longer part of the eu, but to trade with the eu, to have economic contact with the eu, they would be forced to implement european laws, and the only difference is they would not be able to take Political Part in deciding on these laws. Alan it is a german fallacy, that since the days of karl marx, who was a very german person, that economics determines everything. Ulrike it does. Alan europe was a tightly knit economic unit before the first world war, and they threw it all away, they destroyed this, and we have not recovered since. Europe, europe is totally capable of selfdestructing once the demons of european nationalism are unleashed, and this is what is going to happen if the, if the brexit people win. Thats what im worried about. If germans sit back completely and say, they will have to take their method in, like the german medicine, likedrig their the german finance minister said, you dont understand how everywhere in europe except for germany itself, peoples blood begins to boil at that. This is what is destroying europe. Derek i would be with ulrike at this point if we did not have what alan described, this populism and nationalism, this talk sing mix across toxic mix across europe. The notion that the rules will continue to work, and it is a clockwork that will keep taking and britain will be a smaller wheel in the clockwork mechanism, on paper that is how it should be, but we have marine le pen, populism in austria, sweden, finland, denmark, right here in germany, and we are kind of in a postrealitybased part of europe, and it is emotions driving things. Almost like the donald trump feeling. If you start tinkering with the clockwork at a time like this, thats where you will never get this clock working again after the brexit vote. Ulrike where i agree is that, of course, therelots of nationalism and emotion thats now deciding the fate of britain. Agree the ukip guys are not pursuing a rational policy. How is europe supposed to be reacting to irrationality . Germans, you as always address me as a german, so what of the german supposed to do . Five years ago, you could differentiate between insane euroskeptics and rational eurocritics. This firm me has been a very frustrating part of the European Union in the last 10 years, that criticism was like a teflon coating in brussels, it just dripped off. There are european critics in britain who are very rational, intelligent people, and they have never been listened to. And suddenly in the last reel we have britain being listened to, this and this is a good idea. Ulrike tell me. What exactly would have had to change in europe in order to somehow improve the situation in britain . My perspective is completely different. Everything that britain wanted has been done by the eu. Thats the problem. There is not one single proposal, not even from cameron, eu should do to keep britain in the eu. My impression is, the whole debate in britain doesnt have anything to do with the reality of the eu. Its about britain, and the situation there. Peter before we continue about the british perception of the eu and the gripes the british have about the eu and brussels, lets hear a little from the brexit campaign, starting with Boris Johnson. Boris johnson why are we sending 10 billion pounds a year to brussels, some of which is spent on spanish bullfighting . Do you think the british taxpayers should be supporting spanish bullfighting . Absolutely not. The eu is certainly not a democracy. Laws are instigated by the European Commission. It is very frustrating, having to constantly deal with the barrage of mindless, petty rules, completely mad. Should have a huge warning sign on top of it that says contains nuts. Our message will be loud and clear. We do not want a European Union passport. We want a british passport. We want our passports back. We want our soldiers back. We want our country back. We want to make june 23rd independence day. Faragederek, nigel talking about independence day, saying we want our country back. Is that just rightwing populism, the kind of thing one could dismiss, or should we take it seriously . Have the british really lost their sovereignty and seated at ceded it to brussels . Derek they believe they have, but that is perception. What they are really saying is, we want our empire back, we want to feel like somebody again. Britain lost it long before joining the eu, and now we have even less importance in the world, having been in the eu. Alan the british believe quite sincerely, i was speaking to a lot of people, and they believe that their democracy is much more open and accessible and transparent and lively and authentic than brussels. They have a case, havent they . Derek what is brussels . British politicians are going to brussels to make decisions, or telling the European Commission we would like you to come up with a rule on vegetables, which they then mock in london, saying there are these crazy rules about vegetables, which london and other capitals demanded. So britain is projecting there is selfloathing at play here, and such irrationality that somehow we will be somebody again, that we can make britain great again, like donald trump says, make America Great again, by cutting off the nose to spite the face. And then they will listen to us, when we have no nose left. Press years, the murdoch has been attacking the bbc and attacking europe, and if you have been raised in this environment, everybody who is proeurope or proeu is on the back foot, and they have been for the last 30 years. You are constantly defending why this is a good thing, as opposed to in germany, where it is the other way around, and Rupert Murdoch is now going to have his day. This is what he has been investing in all these years, to try and get britain where he wants it, out of the European Union. If you are bombarded with these messages for 30 years, it seems completely normal, and that is the bubble in which britain is living. The environment in which they are deciding could not be less conducive. What will happen then across europe . Thats really the spark in the gasfilled room. Peter point taken. Lets shift focus just a little bit. Becausele sovereignty, too much has been given away, say the brexit camp. And too much immigration. Is there too much immigration . Derek no. Britain has profited immensely from immigration to europe. Take the poles, people from ireland, bankers from france, businessmen from germany, and so on. In fact, many people in britain would rather have more immigration, from other countries, china, russia, the caribbean, pakistan, so on. Nos is, this is, there is rational argument, i agree, for britain leaving the European Union. The point is, we are beyond the point of russian argument, and when british people look to europe, they see, for instance, knees, brought to its by the german finance minister. They see spain brought to its knees with austerity at the behest of berlin, with 40 on employment. They see a eurozone with zero growth when their own country has 2 growth. They are worried. Its not just nostalgia. Peter also positives. If 50 of the people vote for the brexit, they believe they can go it alone. Do you believe, understand what makes them so confident . Alan it is in part a feeling that, the transatlantic feeling, the anglosphere, encompassing australia, new zealand, United States, and so on, obviously this is more a dream than a reality, but i understand where they come from, because if you are a british position or actor or businessperson, like sir branson, who did virgin airlines, you do automatically find your way, or if you are a journalist like tina brown, you find your way to the United States, whereas germans find it difficult to do so. , he went tot britain and said, you will not have more influence if you leave europe. You will have less. Peter going to the back of the queue with negotiation privileges. Alan it is not just old empire. It is the old feeling of the English Speaking people, since churchill spoke about defending democracy together. Butink it is an illusion, it is no coincidence Boris Johnson is a biographer of winston churchill. Hes a character of the great man, but thats what he gets his ideas from. Peter you talked pragmatically about the british after they voted themselves out of the eu, turning back to the eu and reinventing themselves into the club, according to the norwegian or the swiss model. Do you think that really will work . A lot of people say, the eu city will not go with that anymore. Ulrike i dont think so, because once there is this brexit, of course the eu will try to keep written as close to the britain as close to the eu as possible, but the real problem will be that the brexit will not be a clearcut decision. Because even if there is a decision for brexit, it will be by a margin of, say, 2 . 2 is nothing, in political terms. After the vote for the brexit, you have two years of negotiations with the eu. During this time, there will be a lot of uncertainty, which i think will be causing economic trouble in britain. So probably during those two years of negotiation, a lot of brits will think, it might not have been such a good idea to vote for the brexit. So then when it finally comes time to leave, polls will show most brits would rather stay. Peter this is a very messy situation. [laughter] ulrike in the end, it might be that britain will stay, and the only victim will be David Cameron, who of course will be forced to resign if there was a majority for a brexit, however small. Letting the genie out of the bottle by causing the referendum. Ulrike Boris Johnson will be a problem. Eu,britain will be in the but it is a possibility. I think its very it would be crazy to think that a very small margin in favor of a brexit would automatically lead to britain leaving. That, i think, is not how politics work. Peter ulrike is talking about, if there is a brexit vote, what happens next . Nothing we could not deal with is what the brexiteers appear to be saying. The remain camp says they will be major worries, perhaps a disaster for europe, and the u. K. A storm is brewing over the isles. The brexit is now a fact. Britain is getting out. The European Union faces the biggest crisis in its history. The bloc has lost a Major Military power, and its thirdlargest net income contributor. But after the party, it is time to pay the piper. The economy in britain shrinks an estimated 6 . Experts say around 800,000 jobs are in jeopardy. It is ground zero for a political explosion. All over the continent, the hour has struck for euroskeptics, and they start to push for exits, too. Prime minister David Cameron falls on his sword and resigns, succeeded by leave front man Boris Johnson, the former mayor of london. And what does the rest of the union do . Draw together, or fall to pieces . Alan, you were shaking her head listening to the report. Tell me why. Agree that thei scenario seems to be very realistic, especially the part about what happens to europe. It falls apart. It does not draw together. This is what mr. Schaeuble is hoping, what the social democrats, what the lefties in germany are hoping, finally without these pesky brits we become the closer union we always wanted to have. But nobody in europe, and those people in germany, dont want that. This is not going to happen. Europe is going to fall apart politically, and the idea that, oh, with this Economic Union we cannot do that europe has destroyed itself time and again, and by the way, had to be rescued by Great Britain twice. Thats true. So you can do it again, without the brits. Peter donald tusk, president of the european council, said this week that our enemies will open the champagne if britain leaves. Which enemies was he referring to . Derek people who are in very good position to win elections in the next two years in europe. Brexit is only the first. You have the president ial election in france. We have got, we just had a president ial election in austria, and there will be parliamentary elections there. In germany, we have federal elections next year, with an unheard of doubledigit growth for a populist Rightwing Party playing a lot of this antieuropean rhetoric. Ay fors going to be paydf this antielitist, antieuropean movement around europe. Damp of nationalism coming up through the walls. Ulrike i think thats true. There is an antielite sentiment in all of europe, but thats not because it is the eu. Problem is, in most of these countries there has been a long period of neoliberal policies, which meant the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, and thats what people are revolting against, but it doesnt have anything to do with the eu. Britain has a very neoliberal policy when it comes to enriching the rich and making if your more poor, so wanted to somehow defeat the populist parties, to have to let rycial democratic policy tt to make people feel more secure economically. But thats not going to happen. Liberal we have a new government in these countries peter which the movements are taking advantage of. Ulrike so i feel your fears, but i dont think it has anything to do with europe. And thats the problem. Ofn first, the question who donald tusk is referring to, he is referring to russia. I have just been on a trip to the three baltic republics. Lithuania, and, these people are shaking in their boots for what fear of what russia will do with their own russian minorities, and what russia is doing. Mr. Putin has artie declared himself the already declared himself the protector of these russian minorities. This is what europe is facing. This is why the eu needs to keep together, and this is why we must combat these, this idea of nationalism. I will say one thing. It is not neoliberal policies, as proposed by Great Britain, that is driving european apart. It is the attempt to hold the euro together at the cost of the poor nations of europe, driven by a grand coalition in germany. Ulrike i agree that german euro isealing with the completely mental, but you cannot tell me that the brits, were not part of the euro, want to leave the eu because of german policy about the euro. I same nonsense. It is rather the people in britain, think that somehow their situation is due to those immigrants from east europe. Peter let me go to derek. We are running out of time, so i want to tell you give you a minute and i have to say, how much dismay will there be in ireland if there is a brexit vote . Derek we have a border with Ireland Northern ireland that is a completely open border, with open trade back and forth. If britain leaves it is now an outer eu border, so do we put up our wire again . Do we put up soldiers . . There will be a Customs Border again, which means costs and queues, and the prosperity that oiled the Peace Process will be called into question, so ireland could be one of the first casualties of this debate and vote, and it is not really being debated in britain at all. We will see how that goes. Alan absolutely. It is a disaster for ireland, a disaster for the Peace Process, a disaster for the baltic states, for poland. You name it, is terrible. [laughter] peter the question i asked at the top of the show, should be u. K. Stay or go. Give me your summarizing comments . Ulrike of course they should stay, and i think they will vote for not leaving. Derek i also believe selfinterest will prevail at the will remainu they will remain with the wounded pride that brussels is dictating their lives. Alan i hope they are afraid enough of Boris Johnson as a Prime Minister. He is a mediocre but ok novelist, but as a Prime Minister he would be a disaster. He is an actor, not a politician. I hope that the fear of Boris Johnson peter is it interesting that the name Boris Johnson gets named as the same sentence as donald trump . Alan donald trump is a horrible person. A nasty person. Forest johnson is a nice person. Hes just a bad politician. Peter one last word on this. Which way do you wanted to go . Which way do you think its going to go . The bookmakers are on one side, and the pollsters on the other side. To his right . The pollsters say they will be a brexit, and the bookmakers say people will err on the side of caution. Derek i hope the irish voters will get out in britain and swing it one way or another,nd they may swing it for remain. It could be tight. So all irish voters are ordered to go out and vote on referendum day. Peter thanks for a much to all of you. Thanks for being here. Thanks for providing our viewers with so much food for thought. I hope you enjoy the show as much as i have. If you have, get in touch with us by mail or social media. Come back next week. Until then, byebye. X announcer this is a production of China Central television america. Lee solving some of the worlds biggest problems often takes novel or creative ideas, and for those who think outside the box, the results can be very successful. This week on full frame conversations with those who are tackling issues like world hunger, climate change, and other global problems in unusual ways to make the world a better place. Im may lee in los angeles. Lets take it full frame. While some people merely dream of changing the world, for awardwinning british filmmaker richard curtis, its a reality. The man behind such International Hits as love actually and bridget joness diary is also cofounder of the hugely successful comic relief and red nose day fundraising events. In life and on film, curtis seems to perfectly capture both humor and humanity. Man some days, you want to relive fever. Woman aah ha ha ha man will you marry me . Woman i think ill go for yes. Man some days, you only want to live once. Woman i am so uninterested in a life without your father. Man it never occurred to me that i might lose you. Second man i never said you could fix everything. Not without consequences. Man so i was wondering if you might care for dinner on friday night. Bridget dont you dare man im king of the world bridget ha ha ha man you got a boyfriend . Bridget i have, father, and hes perfect. Man when bernard ld me he was getting engaged to lydia, i congratulated him becausall his othegirlfries have bn ch comple dogs. Lydia a ha ha n althoh may i y hhho lighted we areo have s many of themere thisvening. [laughte won tell meare yomarried . Second woman no. Woman are you a lesbian . Second woman um, what made you say that . Woman just a bit more interesting than saying, oh, dear, just never found the right ap, eh . Second woman quite right. Lee theyre all such great movies. Well, his most recent venture is project everyone, an effort to promote the United Nations 2015 global goals and the 17 objectives to improve 3 Critical Issues plaguing our world by the year 2030 extreme poverty, climate change, and inequality and injustice. I recently caught up with richard in new york, where he was attending the annual social good summit. The passionate philanthropist joined other change makers who are thinking outside the box to make a global impact. Youre obviously a very accomplished producer, writer, director of some movies that are beloved worldwide. Curtis hated by some. Hated by some. Lee not too many, though, i dont think. I dont think. I mean, notting hill. Uh. Curtis my sons are stting to be embarrassed about them. Lee oh, really . Curtis theyre too romantic, too much kissing, yeah. Lee oh, no, no, no. I wontwell, women, of course, like me, love them, but you also have this other psion, and that is humanitarian and trng to change the world f the better, um, so thayour heart seems to belong to those causes, as well. Where does that come from . Curtis well, um, i mean, there may be a kind of psychological thing in the background. I wasuh, when i was young, we lived in the philippines so i was very aware of the contrast between how we were living and the poorest people, so that was something that worried me when i was young, um, but strangely, i think its probably, you know, that i was inspired by somebody doing the kind of thing i try and do now, which was bob geldofs band aid and live Aid Initiative and the absolute clarity of him saying it cannot be true that people are starving to death, actually starving in our modern world, that made me think i have to gi some time to this, and then ivei sort of now do the two jobs together. Lee and was that a turning point for you when you saw live aid, band aid . I mean, because that was really such a momentous occasion worldwide. Curtis yeah, it was a huge turning point, and what happened was that i volunteered to go with a friend who was going into the area, into sudan and ethiopia, to look at the famine, to, as it were, keep her company, and the things that i saw there were probably the most profound turning point, you know, because i saw things of terrible sorrow happening to huge numbers of people, um, but the strange thing wasi mean, the history of what ive done is the charity that ive worked for all these years does comedy, uses comedy to raise money, and one of the things i most remember was going into one of the camps where things were worst, seeing a little child being put into a weighing machine, which was like a sort of nappy. The child was put into the machine and hadbecause there was no muscle in its legs, it flipped. Its leg flipped up and it fell through one leg of this little plastic nappy, and everybody laughed, and i thought, they dont know theyre tragic. Were notpeople are meant to laugh and love, and theres no contradiction in raising money by using laughter. Lee well, speaking of laughter, comic relief. Curtis yeah. Lee uh, that was your baby, um, and then red nose day, and youve reyouve raised 1. 5 billion. Curtis yeah, thats right, so far, but, i mean, of course. Lee thats extraordinary. Curtis yeah, itsitsitsits been a long time, and, of course, i think its a sign of the fact that when actually directly faced with other people suffering in problems, most people in the world are profoundly decent. Most people would not walk on by, and what we do on red nose day is put on a really entertaining night of tv and then intersperse it with films about the need and say to people, you know, do you wantyoure having a happy night. Do you want to give some money . And i think that people really react well to that, and. Lee i like the idea that people are profoundly good atyou know, if you really look at humanity. Um, do you think thats continually changing for the better . Do you think because people are becoming more aware of the worlds ailments and the worlds needs that people are willing to try to take action rather than sit back and say, oh, what can i do . Curtis well, i think that, umii read this, um, bookor, as usual, i read the introduction to a book because i find books a bit longjust saying that one of the reasons why we think the world is getting worse is because actually its Getting Better and were more aware of and shocked by the things that are cruel and unfair. You know, they used to execute people in the streets in england in 1800, and nobody minded, and now, you know, we dont have anything like that happening, so when cruelty does happen, you think thats absolutely horrific, but its because theres so muchtheres so much less of it. Um, i mean, one of the reass that ive been pushing thisthese new global goals for Sustainable Development is because i think that there are hugely positive things happening, and the news tends to report the negative things. Lee yes, we do. Curtis so, you know, and thatsthats, in fact, one of the arguments of when people say my films are unrealistic. Um, ii dont understand that at all, because you see a film about someone being murdered by a serial killer, which has only happened like 4 times in history, and people say thats a searingly realistic film about society, and i make films about people falling in love, which is happening every single street in every single country in the world, and people say its sentimental and ridiculousso Amazing Things are happening. Terrible things happen from time to time, but then in the last, you know, 15 years, 2 billion people have got clean water, 50 million more kids have gone to school, malaria is being cut by i think 710,000 a year. So amazingly good things are happening, and i love the idea of a plan which says actually there is a positive view of how things are going in the world and that we should really fight for that rather than being demoralized by the bad things. Lee well, thats your mission now. Your project is, uh, tied to the gloglobal goals, the u. N. Global goals. 17, pretty amazingly difficult goals, i would say. Curtis yeah, yeah, 17 is a lot, but itheres a chap called John Mcarthur who is a great expert, was one of the people who wrote the Millennium Development goals, and hehehe was fighting like i was for there to be fewer. Lee ok. Curtis and he said he spoke to his mom about it, and she said, that sounds about right. Its a complicated world. You know, if you just try and reduce it to a convenient numberand whats really interesting about these goals is they have a proper and deep analysis of poverty and the problems of the world. You know, they do actually include jobs. They do include industry. They do include equality. Lee education, yeah. Curtis yeah, the education, climate, justice, its all of these things. Its actually saying if youre going to solve poverty, it will not be just some rich countries giving some money to some poor countries, because that way, those countries will always stay poor. Lee right, right. Curtis so i caughti mean, 17, its been tricky, but its lee its overwhelming, though. Curtis no, i dont think it is. Lee really . Cuis because weve been startingweve been starting to talk to a lot of kids about it, and they look at it, andand you say whatwhats your goal . Which one of these are inare you interested in . And then they find that exciting. They say, well, thatsthis is the one. Im interested in, you know, the seas. Im interested in the oceans. Im interested in equality. And i think that whatwhats confusing is when every time you hear about a problem, you just then go, thats another problem, another problem, another problem, and i think that what you could do now is you could take every charity and every ngo, and you could say, so whats amnesty . Well, amnesty is actually peace and justice. Its number 16. Whats greenpeace . Well, greenpeace is Climate Action 14, 15. So it actually, i think, is a big way to organize. Lee i was just going to say. Curtis the feelings or the problems of the world. Lee right, right. So itsits a way to map it out almost. Curtis yeah. Lee and sort of direct and categorize what the work is. Curtis yeah, what the work to be done is. Lee needs to be done. Curtis exactly. Lee but obviously with your background, uh, being in film and media, youre utilizing your skills to be able to get this word out, to get the messages out, to get, you know, educate, um, the world. Curtis i mean, i think thats sothats so important. Lee yeah. And youveyouve done it in a creative way using big names, you know, everyone from Jennifer Lopez to Stephen Hawking to curtis from Jennifer Lopez to jennifer lawrence. Lee exactly. Curtis the whole long journey. Lee the jlaw and jlo. Yeah, so you. Curtis exactly. Lee its across the board. Curtis yeah, yeah. Lee uh, there istheres something to that, right . It does reach the masses that way, doesnt it . And when you use celebrities. Curtis well, that is one of the things. Were also trying toi mean, ive got this slogan in my life, which is, to make things happen, you have to make things. You know, you cant just hope. So what weve tried, you know, weliverpool Football Team wore a shirt which had globals onwe made those shirts so that all the billion people who watch a liverpool football match will see global goals. We made little films which have gone out. We made a projection to go on the wall of the u. N. We made a little book which has got lots and lots of stickers in it that children can stick up. You know, im just trying to make things. Theres no point in me, whos a maker of films and entertainment and sketches, coming in and writing a political pamphlet. I wanted to try and make stuff. Thisthe ad is great. Its made by aardman, and what it is is the moment when the goals were agreed by every country in the world, but the leader of the world is represented by the animal that represents that country, so the whole u. N. Is full of llamas and turtles and polar bears and everything like that. Lee i love that. Thats great. Llama we have a plan. The global goals for people and planet to end poverty, to fight inequalities, and to defeat climate change. And i am proud to announce the plan is agreed by everyone. [music playing] announcer the United Nations has launched a plan to fight poverty, injustice, and climate change. Tell everyone. Join us at globalgoals. Org. Lee well, you know, thethe other side of getting things done, of course, is politics. Curtis yeah. Lee um, you know, because its all about policy and people then agreeing to those policies and then executing those policies. Curtis yeah. Lee and oftentimes, thats where it gets stuck. Curtis yeah. Lee theres an agreement, but then theres no execution, or it just falls through the cracks. Is that a frustrating aspect to the work that youre trying to get done . Curtis no, i think its an portant aspect. I mean, one of the inspirations for what im doing is that bob geldof, who i then got to know, um, said to me once that he made more money in 20 minutes having a cup of tea with president mitterrand than he did in the whole of live aid and band aid. Lee wow. Curtis he said politics is where the money is. Lee yeah. Curtis but one of the reasons for, um, doing a Campaign Like this is so that when politicians talk about isss to do with global responsibility, which is a tough thing for politicians because people just want, you know, their own lives to be better first. Thats the first thing a politician has to dever. When politicians talk about those things, people will recognize that its something that they believe in. So chinas just made an enormous commitment to extra aid. Well, we would like the people to feel when they hear that news, thats oddnot thats odd. Thats going to people abroad. They say, oh, yeah, i read those global goals, and i agreed with them. I actually dont want hunger. I actually nt want poverty. I actually do want girls to go to school. So good for that 2 billion. And actually then you allow people within countries to say, well, wait a minute, ive read these goals, and actually, you promised, and so i hope thatthat as well as educating people, it, one, gives cover for politicians and puts pressure on politicians, and, of course, its frustrating when politicians dont do the things you hope they will, but my kids dont put on their shoes in the morning, and the worlds frustrating. Lee [laughs] right, right. From the Little Things to the big things, right . Curtis yeah. Yeah. Lee well, letslets talk about asia a little bit more. You just mentioned china and its contribution. Um, are you putting more focus on efforts in china to try to get a little bit more of a movement going on in that region . Curtis yeah. I mean, weveweve never not included it. Its always seemed to us incredibly important that we should try and get china involved. If you look at the Millennium Development goals, the reason why the sort of most important one, which is extreme poverty, the reason that has been halved is enormously due to the improvements in peoples lives in china over the last 15 years. Otherwise, we would notits not half the world thats got less poor outside china, its including that. So, um, it seemed to us very important, and weve had, you know, the support of celebrities there and the support of cinemas there and the support of schools there, and, you know, itsitsits absolutely crucial with these goals that its everywhere in the world, and we would absolutely love to feel that china will be an increasingly big player in trying to, you know, make life better, not only in china but abroad. Its this idea of mutuality. Lee 2030, lets look ahead. Curtis yeah. Lee um, when we get there, what do you think this world is going to look like if these goals, uh, are pursued in the way that you would like them to be pursued . Curtis well, i think that, you know, you have to really pray theres serious progress on climate change. That has toi mean, and one of the most important things about this campaign was to set people up to feel passionate for the cop talks in paris, another area where chinas suddenly making ally strong positive moves. You have to hope that we arent leavinour kids that ghastly inheritance of, you know, refugees because of desertification and refugees because of flooding and all those sort of things. So that would be a big thing. I feel therell be enormous progress on gender equality, as well. You would really hope, um, that both in positions of responsibility but also in every Single School that those things have happened. You would hope that no one is dying of hunger anymore. That wod seem absolutely something that you would pray for. So i think that there are lots of things that we could look forward to, and we probably wont notice them because brad pitt will probably be divorcing angelina jolie, and then everybody will think the worlds. Lee [laughs] oh, no. Curtis the worlds the most ghastly mess because of that. Lee youre right. Youre right. Curtis but actually, imimim hoping that illthat ill be there on stage in my wheelchair, um, saying good things have occurred. Lee and whats next for you, then . I mean, obviously, youre going to continue all of these projects that you have going, but you seem like a man. Curtis im actually going to startim going togoing to write one more film. Lee you are . Curtis yeah. Im going to write one more film, but then im going to, uh, stop that, because i feel as though this is a beautiful and wonderful world, and i havent seen enough of it, and ive spent all my time looking at my fingers typing, and i should have been traveling. Ive been to china once for a week. Id like to go there for a month. Ive never been, you know, to so many wonderful places and, you know, so many films i havent seen. Lee well, weve been blessed with a beautiful planet that we need to care of so we got to see it, right . Curtis thats what i would hope to do, and then illillill keep an eye on the goals and try to write one funny little film a year for 15 years. Lee well, we would love that, of course. I think all your fans would love to have more films from you, butbut we also love the work that youre doing. Itsits incredible that youre dedicating your time and effort like this. Curtis well, i had a very, um, happy childhood and a happy life, and if you can make any difference to other people, then thats an easy thing to do. Lee well, thank you so much for your time, and we really appreciate all the work that youre doing. Curtis its been lovely to talk to you. Thats so sweet of you. Lee coming up next how one Powerhouse Technology brand is minimizing the environmental footprint of your electronics. The un predicts that by 2025, the global population of 7 billion people will soar to 8 billion, making the preservation of our Natural Resources and protection of the planet more crucial than ever. One person who is acutely aware of this growth is trisa thompson, one of the most influential people in the world of sustainability. Shes the Vice President of Corporate Responsibility for computer giant dell, the Global Leader in sustainable innovative packaging. Dell is also the Biggest Technology recycler in the industry. I sat down with trisa at the 2015 social good summit in new york city to discuss how dells corporate Sustainability Programs and thinking outside the box are not only benefiting the company but also the consumer and perhaps most importantly, the environment. So you are here for the social good summit. Thompson yes. Lee tell me the importance of Something Like this, a gathering like this. Why should it be done . Why should it be held . Thompson its on the forefront now of pretty much every national agenda. Its really a great opportunity for people to come together and talk about whats changing, talk about whats innovative now, and she those ids and really get that forum to share the ideas, and then you can bring them to scale much faster than if youre just sitting in your closet with a great idea. Lee its amazing how it has changed, like youre saying, that it is now at the forefront, these issues of social good, corporate social responsibility. Thompson absolutely. Lee you know, 10 years ago, nobody even knew what that was. So tell me about your experience in seeing that change and how people are starting to really become interested and involved in those ideas. Thompson yeah, so now, interestingly, um, ive been at dell 17 years, and its been there the whole time i have been there, so dell has been involved from, you know, the beginning. I mean, michael started the company with the idea that his products, they have to be designed for recyclability. I mean, so he started thinking about it back in the980s when he started the company, so weve had the concept, but itits evolved pretty significantly for us, too, over the years, um, but not just for us, so its really interesting. A big driver is your customer, so, well, maybe on dells agenda, theres a big push, too, behind us, which is good. Um, all the companies are really starting to look at that, and theyre asking us. Lee thats really interesting that you talk about the customer, because, again, sometimes customers only care about the price, right . Theyre not thinking about all of these other aspects. Oh, is it good for the environment . Is it bad for the environment . But youre telling me that your customers were pushing this, too. Thompson so, over 60 of ourour rfps from customers, which is the request for proposal, ask us about what were doing in environmental and social good, so its a big driver. Its a very big driver. Lee so when dellyou said michael dell was behind this in the nineties, which is pretty impressive. Thompson yeah. Lee that he had that forethought to want to do that in the beginning. Um, how has it evolved for dell in terms of sustainability and becoming more ecologically friendly and being more socially responsible . Thompson so weve always had a good recycling story, andand we are still the largest geographically electronics ewaste recycler in the world, so thats been a part of our whole history, but the other change is, we have what i call, um, individual pockets of heroism. We had someone in the packaging who just loved to create interesting packaging that was more environmental, and we had a bunch of these little packets around the company, and every year, wed putsort of cobble it together in a story. Until about two years ago, we launched the 2020 legacy of good, and this is the first time we have longterm goals. They all fit within in a 21goal framework, andand its really starting to pull all of these individual acts of heroism together and make itjust really, its embedded across the company. Its in every single part of our company. From our hr to our Product Design to our facilities, its everywhere. Lee and so this is a corporate plan that you guys are pushing within the company. Thompson yes. Lee and really try to inspire employees to come up with new innovative ideas. Thompson absolutely. So thats the impressive part about having longterm goals. So the biggest goal, sort of the overarching goal, is that by 2020, the good that comes from our technology will be 10 times what it takes to create and use it. So basically, its a net positive story. So you go from being, we want to be less bad to we want to be kind of zero bad tothose are all bad, right . Lee [laughs] right. Thompson so now we actually want to do good with our technology. How do you change the world with your technology . And it will be the backbone of what changes sustainability, whether its smart cities, the internet of things. We have smart bees were working on in ireland. I mean, so. Lee what are those . Thompson weve set up the internet of things with a beehive on top of a facility. Ourour employee started this and. Lee like a real beehive . Thompson its a beehive, and were sharing all of the data. You know, its 80 of the worlds food stuff are bees. So were sharing that data withwith bee scientists around the world, because itit measures, uh, temperature, their flight patterns, its measuring all the activity of the beehive and the pollution and everything, so were sharing that data. So its. Lee amazing. Thompson its, uh, all over. Butso anyway, thereswe want to do good with the technology, and we really want to see how is that in the embedded value. So thats the overarching goal, and then the other goals are all about your customers, so our product line will be 80 more Energy Efficient by 2020. What that makes the teams, the engineering teams, think about it is, like, ok. How do we get there . And thenbecause dell is competitive; its who we arehow do we beat that . You know, so, really, our packaging, were going to go to zerowaste packaging, so how do you get there . You have to be innovative if youre youre going to get there. Lee well, how do you get there . I mean, innovation, but specifically, you know, what are the advancements that youre seeing at dell that sets you apart from competitors . Thompson you know, itit is amazing the work thats being done. Ill give you a couple stories just out of china. One is packaging. Um, so were doing wheat straw packaging. So wheat straw is the waste, its agricultural waste. Today in china, they burn it, which is not good. Theres already enough air pollution, um, so we found that one of our suppliers in china is working with us, and they are learning how to turn it into packaging. Its basically a cardboard sort of substitute. So we actually pay the farmers for the wheat straw, so theyre making more money, and theyre not burning it. Then theyre turning the wheat straw into a usable product, which is also recyclable, biodegradable. It uses less water, it uses less energy. Its 40 less water, 90 less energy, and it costs less. So that the kind of innovation thats driven by, you set a longterm goal, youre going to get there, but youre going to think about how do you be creative to get to that next place. Were also, umwere the First Electronics company that has done this. Were usingyou know, we collect the ewaste. Were taking the plastics out of the, um, computers that weve collected, and were working again with a supplier in china, and were putting that plastic back into our systems. So its the perfect circular economy. Its not going to waste. Its an investment in the materials that we have, and its going back into 34 different systems today. So were trying to expand that. You know, werewere figuring out, how do we get it to servers . Right now, its monitors and desktops, but wereits a good system, so how do we go expand it . Lee you mentioned the circular economy, and thats something that i keep reading about when it comes to dells programs. Tell me a little bit more about that concept and how that works. Thompson so if you think traditional manufacturing, not just u. S. But obal has been take, make, waste. Thats justthats where we are, right . Andand it made sense at a certain size, but as the population grows, were going to go to 9 1 2 billion by 2050, and as the middle class grows, were going to have 3 billion more people in the middle class. If we considerif we consume at the rate United States consumes today, it would take 5 worlds just for the materials. Well, wdontwe dont have 5 worlds. So we need to think about, how do you just start to reuse what you have, and how does a company like dell think about that as an investment . Because even thethe plantelectronics recycling that were doing, its less expensive. So theres always thisthis theory that, oh, its going to cost more, or, we cant go dowere not going to go invest in that because its more expensive. Itsits not. It doesnt have to be. Lee thats an interesting point, because i think a lot of companies oftentimes use the excuse saying, you know, these type of methods will cost us money. Um, its not good for our bottom line. Thompson right. Lee right . Thompson yeah. Lee and thats, how do you bridge that gap of still trying to be profitable as a company, because you have to be, but then responsible, as well . And obviously, dell is trying to prove that it can be done. Thompson so just packaging alone. Since 2009 when we started some of our packaging initiatives, weve saved the company 53 million. Lee wow. Thompson those are the significant dollars at the end of the day andbut if you just go try, you canit is doable. Lee yeah. Thompson its very doable. Lee does it frustrate you when you hear that, when Companies Use that as the excuse . Thompson yes. Lee it must, right . Thompson and i think it frustrates its consumers because they have a low tolerance for exses. Lee yeah. Thompson and are customers, so weyou need to meet that customer demand. Lee so does it make youit must please you, um, to a certain extent that you do see this Consumer Awareness growing and the demand growing for more responsible companies and more responsible business. Thompson absolutely. Absolutely, um, and there is a Significant Growth inin thewith just even the surveys that are out there. Like, 95 of the companies today that areyou know, Large Companies are putting out Corporate Responsibility reports. As you said, 10 years ago, that wasnt true, and that demand, that push comes from your consumers and your customers. Lee youre on a panel thats called tech disruptions creating a sustainable future. Very fancy title for this panel, but lets talk about that idea, tech disruption. Um, you know, exactly what does that mean, and how is dell trying to be a disruptor that way . Thompson well, its interesting. So technology is going to disrupt whati shouldnt say is going to is disrupting business models, supply chain models. I mean, if you just take airbnb. If you think about it, theyre bigger than Hilton Hotels today. They had no startup cost like a normal hotel. They didnt have to buy any real estate. They didnt have to build buildings. I mean, think about that, and theyre bigger than hilton. So it is really disruptive, and weve, umcustomers like uber. Everyone knows that model. Very, very creative, very different. So its been really exciting to work with Companies Like those, but its also going be really disruptive when you look at the internet of things, and i think there iseveryone says that word, so i know it becomes somewhat meaningless at some pointbut it is really about how do you use technology to monitor and make your processes much more efficient than they are today. So were working for instance with a university in china, and itsit was beenits been, um, asked by the Chinese Government to go really study the traffic patterns in the city, so weve installed monitors, and we are providing all the backup and the big Data Processing for them, and theyre really starting to look at the traffic patterns and say, how do we make this more efficient . Why is this light taking so long . Why does the traffic work here the way it does . Thats going to change how we all operate. So its going to be smart cities from water. Itll be health care, how its delivered. I mean, even just the remote, uh, diagnostics that are capable today that werent, you know, when we were growing up. Its going to change the delivery of healthcare. It should bring down the cost. It should bring up the accessibility. So were excited. Education. Were very excited about what the technology can do for education. I mean, Remote Learning didnt exist, either. Lee exactly, exactly. Now you can reach so many more. Thompson its hugely accessible. Lee uh, people all over the world, and thats the thing about technology, youre right. You can access and change nearly every industry in nearly every aspect of life. Well, trisa thompson, thank you so much for your time, and iits amazing what you guys dell are doing. Thompson thank you. Lee so please continue the great work that youre doing. Thompson keep yourkeep your eyes open. Itllitll keep happening. Lee we will do so. Thompson were excited. Lee thank you. Thompson thanks so much, may. Lee coming up next thinking outside the box by using storytelling to teach children in myanmar. Tin ma ma htet, or tess, as shes known, may still be relatively young in years, but shes already made a tremendous impact as an educational leader in her home country of myanmar. One of her most powerful teaching methods is storytelling. Tess utilizes unique and outsidethebox methods to train educators and promote studentcentered learning in religious schools across myanmar. Tess is passionate about passing on traditional stories and uses them as a tool to promote Critical Thinking, academic skills, and moral values. I was able to speak to tess at the annual meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative about her life story and what inspires her storytelling passion. All right, well, tess, first of all, um, you are so dedicated to education. I mean, thats your thing. Htet yeah. Lee why is that . I mean, whatwhatwhere did that come from for you . Htet um, there arethere are 3 things, um, which make a teacher what im right now. The first thing is that i was really into teaching. I love teaching. One of my earliest memory would be, i would be, um, asking my neighbors, thethe youngeryounger friends to come over to my house and ask them to become my students, and i wouldi would teach them. Lee and howhow old were you . Htet i wasiimim sure i was in primary school, but, like, they were, like [indistinct] theyre justthey just dont know anything. I willi remember that i was doing drilling activities with them and, like, writing on the wall, because my house is wooden house, so i just write on theon the wall withwith a chalk, and my mom used to be really upset with me because shes the one who has to clean up all the mess after that i have done. So i was really into teaching when isince i was young, and after that, i went to the primary school, a government school, and ii found some teachers whowho werewho werelike, who doesnt really like, um, mixedblooded students, and, like, i was reallyi was really dark, and i was really tiny, and i was mixed blood. Like, my dad is indian. So they dont really like that kinds of children, and then we were very poor. Soso i was really discriminated against when i was young. So i was really into teaching, then i thought, no, what i wantwhen i grow up, im not going to be like a teacher here, like, no. I really want to be a teacher who values thelike, allall the children in the classroom, and i really want to make a difference in childrens life. Thatsthose are some of the, um, thinking that i had since i was young, and then i moved to a Monastic School to study where i found so many diverse communities, and the school monastic, um, their principal was really good, and he was really encouraging, andand ithere were so many students who were coming from the hilly region who were runningwho werewho doesnt want to be a child soldier at that time, so they just ran away from their area and come and study in our area, so lee and they would takethey would take them in, no matter who they were . Htet yeah, so itsitsno matter wherewhere they come from, no matter wherewhich religions they come from, he will just take in, and now we have, like, 1,000 students staying at theat the school and 7,000 students are studying in that school. So after seeing all sort of thing, and i really dont want to see children on the streets, or, like, children working on theat the tea shops and stuff like that, so i thought educating children will be very beneficial, and i also dont want to let the children to feel bad about themselves for not getting the education, so thats how i become aa teacher right now and working for the children passionately. Lee thats amazing that you wanted to be a teacher since you were so, so young. To be inspired that way, it camecame from somewhere, certainly. Lets talk about the Monastic School, uh, thatthat education, um, form of education. Explain what a Monastic School is. Htet yeah, Monastic School usually is a buddhist school, so its usually led by schooltheusually led by buddhist monks, which are usually free of charges school for the children from poor background, were orphans, street children, and they dontthey dont reallythey dont care where they come from, as i mentioned. They dont really care where they come from, what religions they are from or what race they are. They accept everyone for free education, and Monastic School education has got very long history in the back. Since 11th century, since King Anawrahta was, um, ruling the country, um, hethe Monastic Schools play an Important Role back then, as well. So they educate royal princes, too, and skill workers. So everyone was educated. Theyand back then, early 1900s, um, the literacy rates in burma was quite high in asia, and it happened because of the Monastic Schools, and right now, wewe had some struggle with previous governments, and we had to shut down Monastic School again, but now, we have been studying. Um, the childrenthe children are getting benefits from the Monastic School, not only from buddhistbuddhist, um, society, but also from other society, as well. Lee right. It just sounds, because its so inclusive. Htet yeah, it is very inclusive. Lee that thats what education should be, right . It should be for everyone, no matter what background youre from and no matter what your Economic Situation is. Htet yes, it is. Yeah. Lee so that sounds great that thats starting to grow again, that kind of education. Htet yeah. Lee anoth thing that you like to promotewell, you love to promoteis the idea of storytelling. Htet yes. Lee and the importance of that in a childs life and education. Htet yep. Lee tell how that came about. Why did you gravitate towards the idea of storytelling . Htet yep. Um, its also because ofpart ofpart of this comes from my family, as well. My parents, um, couldnt go tocouldnt finish their education, and they only finished primaryup to primary schools, so when i was young, they were not confident enough toto read to me, or they dont evenaware of readingreading to me, so i just had to teach myself to get better at the literacy and everything, but what they did really well was our storytelling at night. Soso whenever they put me into bed, they would tell me stories. Usually, the stories are about, um, how to become better people, because weve got a lot of, uma lot of stories about moral values and how to behave, how to become better person in the future. So these are the stories that i have grown up with, and i really love stories to listen or to tell to the children. Then, um, in 2009, there was athere was a training for us. Its called Youth Culture and development workshop, organized by tia musafir from thailand, and there i met aa professor from thailand who is really passionate about storytelling, and then we were trained about storytelling for one day. Then along with other friends of mine who are really interested in storytelling, as well. So we had a groupwe found a group called myanmar storyteller in 2009. From that time on, weveweve been starting to, um, collect stories across the country. Weve been telling and performing stories in orphanages, Monastic Schools, islamist school, christian schools, even in senior homes, and everywhere. We do street performances when we needwhen we need to do fundraising for disasters and everything. So thats what we do together. Lee soand these stories are obviously universal if youre able to tell them to different kids and adults from different cultures and religions . Htet yes. Lee so tell me specificallyi mean, what are these stories about, some of them . Htet um, storiesstories usually reflect on peace, um, diversity, and tolerance. Most of themour traditionaltraditional, um, stories reflect moral values and how a person should be for the otherlike, how do we need to interact with the others, how should we behave in the society. So these are kinds of the story that we use to tell, but forits going to beit is a bit different when i use the stories in my teacher trainings, as well, because itssometime, we more focus on Literacy Development of the, um, students, so its more focused on the content area, and sometime, we also focus on moral values, which gotwhich we get from the, um, books. Lee well, myanmar, obviously, wemany of us know it has had a volatile history, um, in politics and, you know, culture, and, like you said, theres a lot of minority groups that are at odds, um, but, you know, its always said that education is the way to freedom, its the way for more creativity, andand more peace. Htet yeah. Lee um, i feel like youre sort of really trying to push for that, for change in your country in that way. Htet yep. Thethethe Education System has been really, really good, um, beforea long time before but now, itsitsthe quality has been decreasing, and it is really sad that the, umthe system has been focusing on exams rather than, umrather, umtheyre not focusing on Critical Thinking or creativity or, like, discussions, and itsits really hard, so itsand it is veryone of the sad thing for me to seeto see that children are not exposed to, um, questioning to the others, discussing with others, or, um, enjoying theirtheir lives, but instead, trying to spend so many times, like, so many hours memorizing the text that they havethey have given from their teachers, and its really tough. Thats why in our teacher training, we try towe try to, um, include a lot of interactive and participatory, um, activity so that the teacher can experience it, because its beenits been like one generation has been left behind, and the teacher themselves, they have never experienced, umthey have never experienced through what is like alternative teaching strategies, because they were in their classroom, and their teacher told them to memorize and sit the exam, and if they got high marks, they go to medical school, and if they dont got, just normal school, which they might not even have a good job after that. So they dont have experience through this, so thats why im trying to let them experience what does it feel like to be in a childcentered classroom, what does it feel like to be in a classroom where they nurture participations of the students, and, like, discussions. Lee your story is amazing, tess. Youre 25 years old, and youyou already done everything that youve already done. Thats amazing to me. Htet thank you. Lee so i have a feeling that you have a very long future ahead of you. Htet thank you. Lee making a huge difference, not just in your country, but throughout the world, so good luck to you. Htet thank you very much. Iyeah. Lee and thank you so much. Htet thank you very much for inviting me. Lee well, since 2008, funding for the arts has been cut in 80 of School Districts across the u. S. Its forced some schools to terminate programs. Others worry they simply dont have enough funds to provide adequate art exposure to students. So professional arts volunteers in both los angeles and new york city decided to think outside the box by bringing arts into the classroom and helping students write their own acting scripts. As full frame contributor Sandra Hughes found out, the program not only cultivates creativity, but its also inspiring the children. Hughes this may look like a regular afterschool class, but its anything but. For instance, before the lesson begins, this is the warmup. Students 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. Hughes once their blood is flowing, their creativity starts flowing, too. This is young storytellers. [students yelling] most we have 10 mentors meet 10 fifth graders, uh, led by a head mentor volunteer. All the adults are volunteers, and we teach them basic storytelling elements, and the mentors are essentially glorified secretaries, cheerleaders, and like a coach to their writer, and they help them write a 5page screenplay. Lazo so the rewriting process is sort of one of the more important parts of writing a screenplay, and weve talked about this a little bit already. Hughes the volunteer mentors meet with these fifth graders for 9 weeks at saturn street elementary in midcity los angeles. The onetoone ratio is something very special for these inner city kids. Boy in the young storytellers, i feel like im letting all my imagination out. Hughes and do these kids have imagination. Escobbo uh, my story is about that, uh, a stinky mutt thathis name is teddythat he goes on a ship, and hes so excited to play with the fancy pearls that wereis boarding on the ship. Young my story is about a person who doesnt know his own name, but he does lots of stuff to try to find out. Hughes the voluntrs are mostly all in the entertainment business and want to share their love of the arts. Lazo in volunteering and meeting these people who share your interests, then your world is expanded in anot as the same way as the kids, but you build and grow and become a better person as a result of it. Hughes maxx capps is an assistant editor on reality tv. Capps its like night and day, like, from the first day they come in here to, likejust, like, the last time, itsthey justhow much they open up. I think thats a great idea, and that kind of really gets him to leave the apartment, right . Boy yeah. Capps so well put that in there. Hughes young storytellers is in 50 schools in los angeles, one in San Francisco and a couple in new york. In the United States, many large School Districts have cut government funding to the arts, leaving it up to volunteers so the kids dont miss out. Lazo my names nick, and im the head mentor, uh, for saturn street elementarys group of young storytellers. [indistinct] woman aah hughes the actors audition for the roles in the screenplays. [cheering] man so i can be likgeorge takei, but no one knows who that is. Here we go. Oh, my. [laughter] second man if you need a villain, there is no one more villainous than me ha ha ha hughes the scripts are handed out, and the actors do their best to bring life to the stories these kids have created. Andrew chavez. Hughes the big show starts like any big show in hollywood, with a red carpet entrance. Lets keep it going for nicholas ramirez. [cheering and applause] hughes students, family, and friends are invited to see what the kids have created, but first maxx and nicholas make their way to the stage to introduce nicholas story. Capp hes going to tell you about his script. Its called [indistinct] man what are we going to do . Second man we only have 150 third man buy a scratch ticket, then. Man genius hughes nicholas aunt came to see his show and was surprised and entertained. Alvarez i like, and thats the first time i see Something Like that with him because he dont like to talk too much. Ramirez well, it felt pretty nice just because, like, my ideas were actually being shown. Capp he just was having such a good time and laughing, and the kids were laughing and everything. It was funny, it wasyou know, it was justit was reallyah, its worth it. Hughes when the show ends, the kids are still on a creative high. Ramirez yes, im going to remember it all day because im going put this, my vip, next to my bed. Hughes will any of these kids become writers someday . Maybe, maybe not, but what theyve gained in confidence, creativity, and courage will serve them no matter what they do. For full frame, this is Sandra Hughes in los angeles. Story. All story. [applause] lee well be right back with this weeks full frame closeup. By thinking outside the box, south korean table tennis champion soo yeon lee was able to paddle her life into a new direction. At the age of 9, lee began her competitive career, training extensively with olympic Gold Medalist jung hwa hyun. She helped lee win 6 titles as the Korean National junior champion. After moving to the u. S. , lee spread her wings and began a successful career as a model and actress, but she never gave up on her first love. Now she uses modeling and acting to help promote table tennis. These days, she says, its not about winning, but encouraging others to have fun by following their own passion. Shes worked with the country of georgia and its National Youth School Sports league to encourage young girls to hit over the net, whether its in table tennis or their other aspirations in life. Soo table tennis, uh, is such a quick sport, its a fast sport, and at the same time, you have to think and to make a decision in your brain first before hitting the ball. So all combined with youyour brain, thoughts, and your body movement. You have to use a hold of youra whole different portion of your body. So no other sports really can do. I had amazing experience to competing in china, but in america, people even dont know it is olympic sport, so itwhich means they take the sport more fun, recreation at a fun way. Everybody can play no matter what age group are, different ages, so from little girl to old, senior people, and then big giant guy to skinny girls, i mean, they can beat each other. I started playing table tennis when i was 9 years old, and then pretty much right away after 6 months, i started competing locally with my age groups and then went to states and nationals and world. I had no time to think about it when i was competing in south korea because, um, every day we wake up, and then wewe had to live by a schedule for training and the traveling for competitions. So i stopped competition 2010, and at that time ii had more free time, and then, um, some Modeling Agency in l. A. Actually found me, and they wanted to sign with me, and so i started modeling professionally. I mean, i have been in many, like, different photo shoots sport, fashion, runwaybut where i am right now, this is one of, like, a legendary house and my favorite place to shoot, as well. The owner of this house, his name is james goldstein. Hes an icon of the fashion world, and then also hes very interested in art and then, um, architecture, as well. But actually you did a great job. I mean, he slammed a couple of times, which i was so surprised, but he has also good eyehand coordination, so he had also good timing and rhythm, so youre very good, just need to play a little more. Goldstein well, the last time we played, i hit a forehand smash that soo yeon couldnt handle, and that was one ofone of my big sports thrills. Soo . Like rock and roll, likewow this is amazing. I love the red, you know, and black comcombination. Goldstein well, i think its a great combination to be a worldclass athlete and goodlooking enough to be a model at the same time. Soo people think this is such an easy sport. First thing, when i meet people and they ask me what i do, i say im a professional, you know, table tennis player. Ok, so most guys, their firstfirst word, i can beat you. Even like super athlete, like an nba or nfl players, like, you know, theyreeven theyre professional athlete. They should know howwhats the difference between, like, champion, you know, athlete and then just normal players. So even they say, oh, i can beat you. In this sport, itsitsits difficult, but 3 techniques i teach. The first one is angle. So its angle is very important. Even most people, they dont know how to hold a table tennis paddle. And the timing. And then your movements. So 3 things imi have to teach them correctly to start. Modeling is very glamorous. Its about look and then also about clients choice, but table tennis, there is a coach, there is other players. Its about your dedication and practice. The only answer is winning. For modeling, its, you knowits morenot much pressure for me. Most of the athletes, because of the focus, they have a strong goal. After they finish their, um, you know, athlete career, its really hard to move on to something else. I had this hard time for years, as well. I was cky i found what i enjoywhat i like to do now, but most athletes, they have a really hard time after they retire. I mean, i would like to say for the next generation, um, for athletes, focus on your career, and the winning is important, but, you know, make your time, make yourself to do other things, as well. Its important for your life, and experience the different cultures and then, you know, try some different, you know, things. [indistinct] lee well, thats it for this week. Join the conversation with us on social media. We are cctv america on twitter, facebook, and youtube, and now you can watch full frame on our new mobile app available worldwide on any smartphone for free. Get the latest News Headlines and connect with us on facebook, twitter, youtube, and webo. Search cctv america on your app store to download today. And, of course, all of our interviews can still also be found online at cctvamerica. Com, and let us know what youd like us to take full frame next. Simply email us at fullframe cctvamerica. Com. Well, until then, im may lee in los angeles. Well see you next time. Im john cleese. I think we all know that music, aside from the pure pleasure of it, sometimes has a transcendent power. What is called sacred music seems universally to be a form of prayer, a vehicle for spiritual practice, because music and sound are so clearly connected to our higher selves. So now were in for a special treat, because the reverend alan jones and native singer Joanne Shenandoah are going to give us the opportunity to experience something of this. So settle back, take a long, deep breath as we join our host, phil cousineau, on this musical, soulrendering episode of global spirit, the first internal travel series. [percussive music]
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