People were terrified. The girl was covered in blood. Oh, my god oh, my god weve been shot weve been shot i should have been dead. I guess, on one hand, i was happy to be alive. A lot of people died from the same gun. He struck again over the weekend, shooting a young couple in a brooklyn lovers lane. And today the girl died, the killers sixth victim. Hes wounded seven others. Its just scary. Its frightening. When youre walking, people just look over their shoulder. Thats all they do, is talk about the killer. He walks up to strangers, usually couples in parked cars, and shoots them with a large bore revolver. Police say they are no where near solving the case. If youre asking whether we have any indication of who he is or where he might be, the answer is no. To do this to a young girl and a young boy, hes not human. He was writing about a dog that talked to him and gave him orders to kill. I mean, he just was going out 30 nights a month looking for someone to kill. He terrified the city. I mean, ive never seen people like that. Yeah, i see that people will never understand where i came from no matter how much i try to explain it. They wouldnt understand what. What it was to walk in darkness. Getwith the cricketown unlimited 2 plan. Less, two lines of unlimited data for 80 mo. Plus, get 2 smartphones free, when you switch. All on a network that covers over 99 of americans. Cricket wireless. Something to smile about. Dubois i remember we were an hour away from the city, and everybody was afraid. After all that, to find out that this was a. Sort of a, you know, people describe him as this chubby, shy, lonely guy who had the whole city buckling at its knees, afraid. Its a strange sensation. Serial killers about to walk in here and talk with us. I think, there he goes right there. That looked like him, right . Hello. God bless you. Dubois maurice dubois. Its an honor to meet you, sir. Dubois thank you for talking with us. Sure. Okay, its a big step. Dubois its a step . Yeah. I have my misgivings and nervousness and all these other things, but. Dubois sure, understood. Is this a special place for you . Yeah, it is. Its a place of refuge. Dubois refuge . Refuge from the storms of life. If you know anything about prison, theres a lot of storms. Its not exactly a happy place. In prison, men are Walking Around carrying a lot of pain. I know i have a lot of pain inside me over, you know, things that happened. And this is a place where you can come and pour your heart out to god. My name is David Berkowitz, and ive been locked up since the time of my arrest, just under 40 years. Dubois you just turned 64. Yeah. I just turned 64, yeah. Dubois how do the guys look at you, how do they see you, how do they perceive you . Some guys really, again, because of the passing of time, theyre not even familiar with the case or anything. They may have heard about it, but it doesnt. Im just another face in the crowd. No special attention, no special anything, thats the way i want it to be. Dubois i want you, if you will, to take me through what its like. Just tell me what your life is like. Well, in prison, theres a routine, you know. You can get up in the morning whenever you want. Some guys go to work assignments. Some guys go to classes. I go later on to the library, where i work in the morning as a clerk in the prisons library. Dubois do you read the papers yourself . Yeah, some of them when i have time. Dubois when you have time . Yeah. Dubois what do you mean, when you have time . Yeah, this is a pretty busy place dubois i thought you had nothing but time. laughs dubois so, this is not internetconnected. No, this is not. This is a closed system. Dubois and have you ever used the internet . No. Never have. No. Dubois or a smart phone . Oh, yeah, i dont. Dubois or an app . Thats all spaceage stuff to me. Im from the dark ages, the old rotary phones. You know, when i left, tokens on the subway, you know, yeah . Dubois it was 1977 again. Yeah, yeah. Dubois in a sense, right . Yeah. In the summer of 1977, new york lost its mind. Well, this was a city that looked like berlin after the war. It was devastated. There were abandoned buildings. There were waves of arson in which people were afraid to go to bed at night. We had a blackout in which 3,000 people were arrested. It make you really want to throw up when you look at whats happening. And we got to live here. Theres no place for us to go. We had the faln, the puerto rican terrorist group, planting bombs in department stores. We had a record heat wave. George willig, a mountain climber from queens, climbing up the outside of the world trade center. You know, it was a very, very different time, and people were afraid to walk around. 1977, among other things, was the year that studio 54 opened. It was a time of sexual liberation, perhaps the last gasps of the anything goes sexual revolution. I like to disco. As a single woman, i feel safe here. This was the era of saturday night fever. And it was that throbbing music that became the backdrop for all the wacky behavior that was going on in the city at the time, including a murder spree by a serial killer. In new york, early this morning, a mystery deepened and a manhunt intensified. A young couple was shot and wounded while sitting in a parked car. Most of the victims have been young women with shoulderlength dark brown hair who were gunned down as they sat in parked cars or walked the sidewalks in the bronx and queens. Youre dealing with a crazy guy. You go up to two innocent girls sitting in a car and shoot them, or a guy and a girl in a car and you shoot them for no reason. I wanted to know why he did what he did. Thats the one thing about all of these girls in these cases and guys they did nothing to contribute to their own demise. They were sitting, talking to each other, and this guy killed them. I mean, grew up in the bronx. I had good times and bad times. I had some struggles over certain issues that happened, but i also had times of adventure when i played ball with my friends. Really, it was many ways a normal childhood, but i also wrestled with selfdestructive behavior. Dubois why . Well, when i was about four or five, i learned that i was adopted. And when i asked about who my parents were at birth, my dad and mom well meaning told me that my mother died while giving birth to me. Later on, i found out that, of course, she was alive and well. We had a wonderful reunion. Dubois it wasnt even true what they told you. Yeah. They meant well because they were told by the experts thats what you tell an adopted child when they naturally ask questions. Looking in retrospect, that characterized much of my life. I struggled with a lot of depression as a child and obsessions with death because i thought i deserved to die. Dubois so, take me to when youre 14. Your mom dies. Yeah, it was a difficult time. Yeah, well, just when you lose someone that you love is a sense of mourning. I tried to put it out of my mind. I was carrying around a lot of guilt. I was carrying around a lot of shame that i deserved to be punished. I cant explain those things. Dubois for your moms death . Yeah. Maybe i was angry at god, and then, well, my birth mother, and then, of course, my adoptive mother, too. You know, i found it very difficult. The victim that is selected usually satisfies something at a fantasy level a punishing mother or could be a wife. And so, every time he commits the crime against the person that has this thing, hes satisfying his basic need of getting back at the original individual that he had difficulty with. You know, it was just a challenge, but i ended up doing okay. It was my dad really kept on me to finish school. I graduated from Christopher Columbus high school in 1971, and then i joined the army. He went into the service and a drastic change took place. A different man came out than went in. What do you mean, a different man went out . How did he change . I went to korea. And ill never forget that. You see the advertisements on tv of the guys jumping out of planes and all these exciting things. And you find out army life is kind of mundane and routine. I just turned 18. Im trying to find my way in life. I wanted to see the world. A man that went in relatively mellow, relatively peaceful, turned around and became a man that was more interested in the fantasy in the world than the reality. After i got out of the service, i went to look up a lot of old friends, guys i used to hang out with and things. I found everybody pretty much moved on in the three years i was absent. 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You move up to yonkers. Yeah. Dubois you have an apartment up on the seventh floor . 7e. Its a nice spot. Youre looking out over the hudson river. Yeah. The building was not in any way peaceful. Dubois it was not that way . What was it like . It was just chaotic. It was just a strange place. There was a strange spirit there. Dubois he lived right here in this building, 234. It used to be number 35. They changed the number in hopes of. Maybe make people feel a little better. They dont recognize where the building is. Then, i say, do you remember son of sam . Oh, i know where the building is, so they know. Dubois yeah, so people are familiar with it. A lot of people know what happened. Its still hard to believe someone like that exists in this world. I mean, who goes around killing people . I dont know anybody like that. You try not to think of things like that. People in the neighborhood that knew him said, you know, he was, you know, very cool with the kids, give them ice cream, things like that. And he was a functional man. Dubois just another guy. Yeah. Dubois what about the idea that he shot sam carrs dog right behind here . This dog, his master, is a 6,000yearold being talking to him through this dog, and hes begging for blood. Dubois the dog got on berkowitz nerves. Apparently, the dog barked too much. Berkowitz could hear him from his window. He tried to kill the dog, the dog didnt die. And then, he said, in his own twisted way that the dog told him to kill. So, berkowitz lived on the top floor. He had a clear view right into the backyard here where the dog lived, owned by a guy named sam carr. Hence the name son of sam. I wasnt comfortable there. I felt very isolated. I didnt really have much of a social life. I started to get into a lot of satanic stuff. So, i really was opening myself up to some very dark forces. Its not like he had a friend or anything. There was nobody. He had a hole in the wall in his apartment where it said that mrs. Something or other and her kids lived in the wall. You know, he was certifiably nuts. There was a battle going on inside me. Dubois in your head . Wherever, you know. Just a battle going on. Dubois right. Yeah. Dubois i guess. So, heres the thing. Heres a christian man whose had loving parents, a man who knows right from wrong, whos very thoughtful. Killed two people to start this yet, at some point there, you whole thing. She was 18yearold donna lauria, who was sitting in a parked car with a friend late at night when her parents heard the shots. I ran down. By the time i got down, she was dead in the street. My daughter was 18 years old, and thats what he took out of my heart, 18 years. It was a very troubled time. Dubois right. But then you did it again . It started off as a typical friday night. We drove to 159th and 32nd avenue, and basically we started making out. And, like, two minutes later, yeah, i was shot in the back of the head, but, you know, on the top. The windows just shattered. I had pieces of glass all over my arms. I didnt know i was shot, but i knew something terrible had happened. The skull was blown away. The only thing protecting my brain from the outside world was a flap of skin. Well, things happened. But thats it, you know. Dubois and then again. Then we get to november. We have demasi and lomino, theyre shot. Theyre standing on a stoop, and he walks up and he fires at them. Dubois at this point, you have nothing. What are you thinking . Were thinking, we got a tough case here. Police have been engaged in an intensive hunt for a man known as the. 44caliber killer. Theres widespread apprehension that his crime spree is not over. Dubois i mean, it just kept going for more than a year. The hardest cases in the world for a homicide detective are strangers, stranger on stranger. You have very little to go with because you dont have a motive, you may not have any witnesses, right . So, youre at a dead standstill. Dubois was there any Common Thread with all of these families, victims of son of sam . Well, the Common Thread was, these were. Theyre, you know, 20yearolds. Theyre young, you know. Theyre children. Dubois weve got Christine Freund. Again, this shooting. Is there any suspicion . Yes. At least two witnesses say the gunman walked up to the car, crouched, then fired four shots. One of the detectives come over to me, and he says, you know thats a big bullet, he says. And we had a shooting in 105 with a big bullet, and they also had one in queens. So, that stirred me up a little bit the. 44 bullet is big, nearly twice as big as the conventional. 38caliber Police Handgun ammunition. The. 44 is designed, they say, to kill. Dubois then we get to march. Virginia, the student. Shoots her right in the face. Starts to get a little curious now because that shooting is only a block away from where Christine Freund was murdered. We dont really get into the serial killer until the incident in the bronx. Dubois april 17, 1977. That will go down in infamy. Dubois until then, you just had a series of shootings without any real sense. Again, we were having, you know, at that time, probably, i dont know, probably 1,500 homicides a year. The big thing about this one was the. 44caliber bullets. Dubois now, its not just a bullet. Bullet. He left a letter to me. I was a doer. I was active. Then the chronic, widespread pain drained my energy. My doctor said moving more helps ease fibromyalgia pain. She also prescribed lyrica. Fibromyalgia is thought to be the result of overactive nerves. Lyrica is believed to calm these nerves. Woman for some, lyrica can significantly relieve fibromyalgia pain and improve function, so i feel better. 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Dubois if you had it to do all over again, what would you change . Those terrible things that happened would have never happened. In new york, early this morning, the. 44caliber killer tried to kill again. It was just a. A break from reality, thought i was doing something to appease the devil. Im sorry for it, but i really dont want to talk about it anymore, because. Dubois appease the devil . At this time, i was serving him. I was serving him. I feel that he had taken over my mind and body, and i just surrendered to those very dark forces. I regret that with all my heart, but that was, like, 40 years ago. Effectively, it was him winning over us each time he got away with it. The only substantial clues so far have been two letters, including one mailed to the new york daily news. The killer chose Jimmy Breslin as his conduit to a larger public. Jimmy breslin was a great columnist for the new york daily news. He was sort of the voice of the people, related to people on a very visceral level. And it was no accident that the son of sam killer started writing to him. Hello from the gutters of n. Y. C. , which are filled with dog manure, vomit, stale wine, urine and blood. Hello from the sewers of n. Y. C. , which swallow up these delicacies when they are washed away by the sweeper trucks. J. B. , im just dropping you a line to let you know that i appreciate your interest in those recent and horrendous. 44caliber killings. Dubois in 77 is when the newspapers, you know, started to cover this, the. 44caliber killer. Whatever. Dubois son of sam. You would see this stuff. It was in the newspaper, on the tv, on the radio. It was everywhere. I dont want to discuss that. Well, when we realized that this was an authentic letter that he had sent to the daily news, on one level, we were thrilled because it gave us access to the killer. What i thought was one of the most disgusting episodes ive seen in journalism. You suggesting murder isnt a big story . I think murder as a big story became in the papers it was blown ludicrously out of proportion and with very unhealthy social results. Jimmy breslin wrote one to him, figuring that would trigger berkowitz to respond again. And i didnt mind that because, as i said, the more he responds, the more the opportunity for us to solve the case. Jimmy was engaging in this written dialogue with the killer for any number of reasons. One, because there might be more clues as to his identity; and two, because it was an ongoing tabloid story that obviously would sell newspapers. And he just was going out 30 nights a month looking for someone to kill. Did you ever have a moment saying, geez, did i cause this . Did this column trigger this nut . No. I mean, there was no question that the Police Department was put under a lot of pressure by the press. A slow son of sam news day would be seven or eight pages. Detectives would walk out, and theyd have a tv crew follow them. The new york mafia is trying to track the killer down. The press stoked berkowitz, but it also incited 20 million people. We used to stay in front of my house and park and kiss goodnight, but we cant do that no more. An element of fear pervades neighborhoods which have not known fear before. People wouldnt come out at night. Theyre really scared. And i mean, when theyre scared, thats all they do is talk about the. The killer. Civilian patrolling has stepped up in the neighborhood. Some women in the area are terrified, particularly ones with shoulderlength dark brown hair. People going out cutting their hair and dying it. They were bleaching their hair, becoming blondes. Literally, at night, sometimes 1,000, 2,000 guys who were just out there patrolling, looking for this guy. Those phones rang 24 hours. Dubois you guys were everywhere. You shut down lovers lanes. I think all the motel owners in the city loved us. We forced everything indoors. Im leaving my house, and im walking down the steps of my house. My mom turns to me, and she says, robert, be careful. And i turned around and the next thing i said was ill never forget this ma, dont worry. Im going out with a blonde tonight. hard exhalation honey . Can we do this tomorrow . grunts of effort can we do this tomorrow . If you have Heart Failure symptoms, your risk of hospitalization could increase, making tomorrow uncertain. But entresto is a medicine that was proven, in the largest Heart Failure study ever, to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading Heart Failure medicine. Women who are pregnant must not take entresto. It can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. Dont take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. If youve had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, dont take entresto. 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She said, robert, lets go. And i said, five more minutes and in that five minutes is when we got shot. Im screaming now, blowing the horn. Help us, help us weve been shot, weve been shot the horn died. Dubois what do you remember from the shooting itself . The bullet totally destroyed the left eye and most of my right eye, and, you know, full of blood. I couldnt see anything. I couldnt see stacy sitting right next to me. I heard some moaning coming from stacy. This evening, hospital officials said miss moskowitz remains in Critical Condition after eight hours of surgery. She is given a 50 50 chance of living. Violantes condition is guarded. He has lost the use of his left eye and probably will retain only 10 of the vision in his right eye. What can you tell me about your son . crying i brought him up the right away. Good boy, never any trouble. Never involved with any dope, never involved in any arrest. What can i say . You told him to say out of queens. I told him to stay out of queens. He said, dad, im going to stay out of queens because he used to go to queens. He said, ill do it for you and mom. Ill hang around in brooklyn. And thats where they found him. Violante, i remember his father was distraught, just totally distraught because he had seen the results of what had happened to his son. He was my best friend in the world. He was there for me every minute of the day when i was in the hospital. I think it was my dad that told me about stacy. At 5 22 p. M. Monday, Stacy Moskowitz stopped living. The doctors said they had not turned off the life support. It was just that the horrible damage done by a. 44caliber bullet in the brain was too much. She wasnt worried, you know, because she says, you know, ive got blonde hair, you know. I told her i dont know how many times to be careful. My daughter is dead, but i would die right here and now to see this man punished. To do this to a young girl and a young boy. I lost a child, that woman has a son thats blind. To do this to young people, he cant be normal. Hes not normal. Thats the saddest part, that i never got to really know stacy. Dubois you still think about it to this day. Yeah. That was really, really the sad part. Dubois but when Stacy Moskowitz was killed, berkowitz got a ticket for parking his car in front of a fire hydrant. Yeah, there was a woman there who said, i did see somebody get a summons by a fire hydrant in front my house. We immediately started looking at the summons. They run the plate, and the plate number comes back to David Berkowitz, his address in yonkers. It comes out to David Berkowitz, 35 pine street. They now decide again, thinking its a witness to call him. So, they call the yonkers Police Department. The girl on the switchboard says, who to . David berkowitz, 35 pine street. She said, that guys crazy. He shot my fathers dog. I know that guy. Whats your fathers name . Sam carr. Wheat carr, whos sam carrs daughter, lives next door to David Berkowitz, owns the dog that berkowitz shot. So, you know, that was like, all of these things fell in, in one phone call. Everybodys antenna goes up. They get up there, they swing by his house, and they see his car. They look in the car, and they see a letter to the suffolk Police Department. And they see a duffel bag that had a gun in it and a big rifle. And here comes berkowitz with a little brown paper bag, with his. 44 gun in it. He goes to the car, and they jump him. And he says, you got me. He says, im the son of sam. At about 1 00 this morning, 24yearold David Berkowitz, who detectives believe is the son of sam, was brought to Police Headquarters in manhattan. He was wearing frayed jeans and a sports shirt, and he was smiling slightly. They caught him. They caught him. They caught the piece of garbage. Ill never forget that. My friend nikki. Dubois whatd you say . I was so elated, so happy. I said, thank god hes off the streets. Hes not going to ever be able to hurt anybody else again. I really cant describe how i felt. It was i guess a little bit of everything. A little bit of excitement, a little bit of relief, a little bit of closure. When i saw the front page, i was like, wow, i didnt expect him to look like that. Police ran ballistics tests this morning on the. 44caliber gun they say berkowitz bought from someone else who got it in texas. Its an infamous gun. I can picture the damage that this thing did when youre looking at the scene of the crime. The ballistics section has just called and told us that the. 44caliber gun we recovered tonight has been tested, and the bullets match the bullets we recovered from Stacy Moskowitz. What does this mean . It means we have the gun that killed Stacy Moskowitz. Dubois i mean, these were beautiful young people. I understand that, but, again, theres no. Thats just the way things turned out. Its regrettable, but thats it. 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Dubois now, years later, he tells everyone that he was part of a cult, and he was merely one of the shooters. You know, hes wacky. You know, i mean, hes. For him to say he was part of a cult, it was just something he came up with, like everything else, you know. Well, i felt that there were demons with me that was. I will have to save that for another time. Dubois but you were the sole person who pulled the trigger, correct . Well, a lot of things would have happened in that case, but i take responsibility, you know. And thats it, yeah. Dubois you take responsibility for all the son of sam murders . Yeah, right, yeah. Dubois there was nobody else involved . Lets put it this way there were demons, and that was it. Dubois you leaving the door open . Or is that. Well, one day, maybe i might have a chance to share more, but thats well leave that at that, you know. We shot all that down. And i think i told you, the biggest claim to fame when they used to say that, the cult id say, did we have an incident after we locked up berkowitz . Dubois the killings stopped, did the killings stop . For him to say years later that he was part of a cult, you know, its just more attention. Thats all its about with him. Dubois but here are people who believe it. Im just telling you, the people that say they believe in it never interviewed David Berkowitz. They never sat the way i did with him. Dubois in this room . In this room, in this corner. Dubois step back for a second. Youre walking in, you lay eyes on him. What are you thinking . What do you see . What does he look like . Well, first, im looking at him to see what he looks like. I says, what happened here . How did this start . 30 minutes, he goes from beginning to end, tells me the whole story. He was relaxed. Dubois what kind of demeanor . He was saying this with a straight face . Oh, he was talking about it the way you were talking about making a pastrami sandwich. To just talk about it like that was scary. I thought, absolutely felt he was certifiably wacky, and i thought they would just put him in an institution. The accused killer is now undergoing a courtordered psychological examination at the Kings County Medical Center in brooklyn, where he will be held in maximum security for up to 30 days. He will engage in a normal psychiatric examination. Dr. Schwartz, he was a Court Appointed psychiatrist to analyze him to see if he was fit to stand trial. And he determined he was fit for trial. So, this insane business, that goes out the window. There was no outward sign of emotion, no expressed remorse today as David Berkowitz pleaded guilty in a brooklyn, new york, court to six random son of sam murders, slayings which terrorized new york for more than a year. Dubois so you show up in court when berkowitz was going to be sentenced for the first time . Yeah. Dubois he said some foul things about stacy. Oh, yeah. To a weird nursery rhymelike tune, berkowitz, who had never known Stacy Moskowitz, saying stacy was a whore. Mrs. Moskowitz bolted out of her seat and screamed back, you animal and then, Robert Violante, stacys date the night she died, rose and shouted, you creep i reacted, go bleep yourself, you piece of bleep . You should die. You should rot in hell. I was i just went off on him. And Robert Violante explained his courtroom outburst. Total anger, total anger. Thats it, just total outrage. And i really couldnt control myself. Three weeks after his wild courtroom outburst which led to a delay for further psychiatric evaluation, David Berkowitz again judged competent to face sentencing arrived to learn his fate. Berkowitz, who just turned 25, was given a total of six sentences for murder of 25 years to life. Dubois what do you say to the victims families, to the victims who are still living today . Well, ive. Ive apologized many times, and i just always sort of let them know that im very sorry for what happened. And i wish i could go back and change things. And that i hope these people are getting along in life as best as possible. I never forget you know, where i came from and what my situation was like some four decades ago. People that were hurt, people that are still in pain, suffering the loss because of my criminal actions. And i never forget that. That sometimes weighs very heavy on me. Yeah, yeah. It kind of took over my personality, and wherever i went everything would just stop and youd just hear whispering, that guy that got shot by son of sam. And it got to the point where it became disturbing for me, and i really felt like i was losing my identity. I didnt have any children because i never got married, never had any children, unfortunately. He ruined not just my life, 12 other lives, plus their families. So, how do you forgive Something Like that, somebody like that . You dont. Dubois what do you think about the irony . I mean, heres a kid who lost his mom at 14, and you think about the depth of the pain you felt. And then, years later, because of you. Yeah, sure, right. Dubois . Six people have that same kind of pain, seven others injured for life. Mmhmm. Dubois how does that strike you . Its very painful, its very painful. I carry around the pain, too. Not the same kind, but one that im aware of what happened, you know. Yeah. I draw comfort if you can call it that from reading about it in scriptures, about some of the wellknown bible characters that did very bad things and how god forgave them. And god was able to use them in very special ways, very unique ways, and they became what we call champions of the faith. The lord did a lot of work in my life, you know. Thats why i try so hard in my messages to give a cautionary tale to young people about not getting involved in satanism or the occult or those kinds of things because i feel that they too could maybe take a bad path. Dubois does it give you satisfaction to reach young people . Yeah, sure. I get letters all the time. I have a calling to just write to encourage people from all walks of life. Its something i do on my own, in my spare time, and i get a lot of satisfaction out of it. And most of all, i believe that thats what god has called me to do. Dubois berkowitz is a born again christian. Hes a minister in prison. He takes a lot of pride in helping people. Thats his thing. What do you think of that . I think thats a lot better road to go down than serial killer. Youre in jail, what else do you have to look forward to . You might as well, yeah, i found god. Why not . But i really think he did, you know. That doesnt mean hes exonerated. If hes trying to do better with other prisoners, so be it. Thats gods way of probably making him understand how wrong and bad of a person he was. And now, gods giving him a Second Chance to do right by other people, but it still doesnt change the fact of how i feel. Ill never forgive him. Dubois why not . Why not . Because he snuffed out six peoples lives, ruined another seven, plus all the families involved. For people that didnt do anything to him. You know, didnt bump into him, didnt say nothing to him. So, i just cant forgive him. Dubois when you look at the front picture like that, these are two yous. There are two pictures of you. Right, thats right. Mmhmm. Dubois what do you see . I see the old man, and i see the new man of christ. Yeah, i see the one man that was tormented by demons, and i see a man that has the peace of god radiating from him. You know. Thats where im at now. Thats the way i was always supposed to be, a man of hope. What is a life worth . I dont know. Thats not my job. But mr. And mrs. Lauria might feel totally different, you know. They lost their daughter 40 years ago. Dubois does parole. Is that attractive to you at this point . As a realistic hope, i dont see any hope for parole, no. Personally, i feel there has to be justice for the death of those people. And thats the justice life in prison. Captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org
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