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From Capital Public Radio in Sacramento this is insights I'm back through Yak the morning after a presidential debate is as you know full of quips and quotes there are multiple candidates claiming that they won There's fact checking and fund raising and polling and more fact checking and so here we are after last night's 3 hour debate in Ohio there were 12 Democratic candidates for us president including 2 Californians kept radios politike fact California team was monitoring the event reporter Chris Nichols is joining me in the studio and good morning Chris good morning Beth this was an evening that I would say had cycles of pushing and then punching and swiping and the majority of it was aimed at Elizabeth Warren it was and I think that was one of the major differences compared to previous debates Warren who had to play defense and we didn't see that in the past of course she's now one of the front runners along with former Vice President Joe Biden so a number of the other candidates did criticize her over her Medicare for all plan whether it would raise taxes on the middle class that was a major difference I thought for our own California candidate California senator Kamel Harris there was a difference there too she's no longer in the top tier of candidates she's really dropped in the polls and I think in a way that sort of freed her up to go back on the attack she didn't really receive much criticism over her record or over her plans and so instead she really. When after her favorite target of course was President Trump many people will say and some polls will say that Elizabeth Warren is clearly in the front runner spot right now not sharing it that's the story that's told by measuring how much time each candidate got in the debate not specifically by issues but just overall time it's interesting right and she when you look at the New York Times they measured them who got the most speaking time in the debate and Warren by far had the most speaking time at about almost 23 minutes and then Joe Biden was 2nd and center and we quote which are 3rd and looking at the 2 Californians in the race Harris was way down at 7th so she didn't speak as much at about 12 minutes and then California and Tom Styer his 1st time on the debate stage he actually had the fewest speaking moments that just about 7 last night I think not unexpected as he was brand new to the debate stage so let's get to the fact checking which as we could guess and we know from your work is a process it is and there's a there's a number of statements that we're looking at one from from Harris on the gun violence that I know we'll talk about a little bit later one from Tom Styer the idea that most Americans he said 90 percent have not gotten a raise in 40 years we'll talk a little bit about those we're looking into them. And then you know I know we're also going to hear from Senator Harris in a moment her her theme last night was really her sharp criticism aimed at President Trump she really women after the president for what she said was his failure to keep his promises to working Americans and for what she called his crimes in plain sight with Ukraine which of course has led to the house impeach. And quietly National Political Fact is fact checking as well and would you just highlight some of the candidates that they've focused their work on That's right they've produced a couple of fact checks several fact checks at political act dot com including what they found to be a misleading claim by Joe Biden dealing with tax increases and Medicare for all and another claim that they found was misleading by Senator Warren dealing with President Trump and some Facebook ads All right let's jump to Senator Harris and as you said the theme of the night for her was the criticism aimed at President Trump which is something she did in the last round of debates also talk to me about what we're going to hear from her Well this is from I believe her 1st introductory remarks and she talked about the faults that she sees in the president and again it was a theme throughout the night starting early on and throughout the debate and he has consistently since he won been selling out the American people he's been selling out working people he's been selling our values he's been selling out national security and on this issue with Ukraine he's been selling out our democracy our framers imagined this moment a moment where we would have a corrupt president and our framers then rightly designed our system of democracy to say there will be checks and balances this is one of those moments and so Congress must ask. That was her major strategy she also used though the discussion of health care to raise up the specific. Area of health care in terms of women's reproductive rights she also had some strong statements about gun violence so let's say a bit more about her in the debate last night and I think that's her a couple moments where she really stood out she said that more attention must be paid to the Republican attacks on abortion rights at the state level and she said that as president her department of justice would review all state abortion laws to make sure they meet the legal protections under Roe v Wade and that really seemed to get her a lot of support there at the debate hall she also spoke out against gun violence she claimed that it's the leading cause of death for young black men and that is a statement that political act fact checked back in 2016 and they fact checked a similar statement rated it true we're going to take a look at the current data to see if that matches with what Harris said where is commonly Harris in the latest polls well support for Harris has really dropped since early July. People may forget but she had briefly moved into 2nd place nationally just behind Joe Biden at that time right after the 1st debate but recently she was ranked 5th in a national survey that was just this week and then here in California she's fallen from the top candidate just a couple months ago down to 4th place in a recent poll I'm talking with Chris Nicholls cap Radio's political California reporter Let's shift to Tom Styer 7 minutes and 13 seconds to speak in a 3 hour debate but he was on the stage something that hadn't happened before that's right and this was his 1st appearance like he said he did speak less than all the other candidates but when he did speak he he touted his work over the past 2 years pushing for president trumps and Pietschmann we have some sound of that. This is my 1st time on this stage so I just want to start by reminding everybody that every candidate here is more decent more coherent and more patriotic than the criminal in the White House. But I also want to point out that Anderson is right 2 years ago I started the need to impeach movement because I knew there was something desperately wrong at $1600.00 Pennsylvania Avenue that we did have the most corrupt President in the country and that only the voice and the will of the American people were dragged Washington to see it as a matter of right and wrong not of political expediency I sometimes can't tell which his priority is to run for president or to make sure the current president is forced out of office and I'm you know maybe that's something that is so intermixed for him that it's not not necessary to pull the 2 apart but he also referenced climate change in a strong way he did I would say that was the other big topic he spoke about he said essentially that the United States needs to lead again on climate change that's been a big issue certainly before his focus on on Trump on the need to impeach he's warned about the dire threats of climate change in t.v. Ads here in California. During the debate he also said that the United States needs to restore its relationships with its allies he said that we need to get in his words get rid of President Trump's America 1st focus and he called for passing a wealth tax to reduce income inequality and of course it's important to remember that he is he made his living in his money as a hedge fund investor and he is a billionaire. That claim that you are fact checking He unwrapped interesting lately he started to go down the path of 90 percent of Americans have not had a raise and he sort of paused in that moment and I like so many other people I was kind of thinking about time I wonder what he's going to say here and I have to say that 40 years was a pretty shocking figure right and he did seem to offer a few qualifiers and we're going to go back and look at those because those are important but his is essential claim was that 90 percent of Americans have not had a raise and 40 years our national partner political act they have examined at least a similar claim in the past they found that income for every group of Americans has in fact increased beyond the rate of inflation since the 1970 so again that basically that period that Stiers talking about they did find that another measurement the share of income taken by the bottom 90 percent that has declined since 1973 so they rated that similar claim half true we'll take a closer look at what Stier said how he qualified it and consider that for a fact check and where is Tom Styer in the polls right now well he just got into the race in July but right now he as is that 2 percent in the most recent national poll among all Democratic candidates horrified Chris Nichols's kept Radio's political factor California reporter based at Cap radio let's note again the national political fact work and where people can find that right their work is at Politico Fact dot com and our fact checks will be at Politico dot com slash California Ok had one more piece of trivia because I didn't quite know where else to drop it in this is President Donald Trump's 1000th day in office. Up next from San Diego Gas and Electric I'll talk with the director of. Support for Cap radio comes from members and from local businesses My name is Jason Francis I am the president. So I sat down on my computer of course during a fun drive and I'm like Ok how much are we going to give this time it just dawned on me why are we're not a corporate underwriter and stuff my primary goal would be to try to convince other people to support Capital Public Radio help grow your business by partnering with kept radio visit cap radio dot org slash support. The says cab radio $90.00 Sacramento and $91.00 stop the Midwest Oh your n.p.r. Station we get support from the u.s.c. Price School of Public Policy in Sacramento there us the State Capital Center in midtown offers a 2 year master of Public Administration degree designed for professionals working full time applications for fall 2020 at u.s.c. Dot edu slash Sacto. Welcome back to insights on Caprio I'm back through yak p.g. And e. Will be questioned by the California Public Utilities Commission about last week's Power Shot offs that will happen at an emergency hearing that's been scheduled for Friday the p.c. Is an economic regulator so it does its audit ing and other work after an incident that's part of the process that happens Friday how the blackout was carried out will be discussed in the next few days you can look for Cap radio Scott Rod reporting for the California dream project and he talked with owners of small and large businesses across the blackout region these owners were caught off guard when the power went out and he asks them what needs to be done to make sure that businesses and individuals are prepared so during the power shutoffs we heard many people say to find a better answer than p.g. And e. . He's look at San Diego Gas and Electric So that's what we're going to try to do in this conversation on the phone is Brian D'Agostino he is s.t.g. Anees director of fire science and climate adaptation I'm glad he's made time for us today Hi Brian and glad to have you on Insight Well good morning and thank you very much for having me so the pivotal events for San Diego County were the 20032007 fires coming out of that what was the goal to find a new system or a new solution Well you know the goal coming out of 2003 in 2007 was that something else had to be done at the time we were very focused on remaining compliant to all the regulation and we realized we had to go beyond that and that's where we started what is now over a 10 year journey of really mitigating wildfire risk better understanding Santa Ana winds that lead to these large fires that we have in San Diego hardening the electric grid reaching out to our customers and all the steps that we take as we're seeing more and more of these extreme weather events where some of the same questions being asked in San Diego County as were asked last year in Butte County after the Camp Fire are we we continuing to look at some of the classic and same problems. You know what we found is it has been a long journey here in San Diego over the last 10 years where you know we really started with Oh I mean a lot of the same challenges and same challenges we face today is as we see these these large weather events coming in and we do still use the public safety power shut off as a tool across San Diego. There is a specific and definable answer to that question everyone was asking what does San Diego Gas and Electric doing differently why is it working better down there we can speak to the size of the region separately but what happened you joined at the genie in 2009 what was the task Well the 1st task and I'll speak really as a meteorologist I really start to speak to the the weather technology because that's an enormous piece you know understanding where are the strong winds is a really important 1st step so what we did is starting in 2009 we started building a very comprehensive weather network every mountaintop every ridge every community both had weather stations in the community and surrounding the community and that was a really important foundational piece because we needed to know where are the strong winds and then that ties to where is that highest fire danger. So in the midst of technology that was created I think the expense has been something like one and a half $1000000000.00 Is that an accurate figure that is an accurate figure the investment and it ranges from you know both increasing all of our weather technology and our predictive capabilities to anticipate these events coming but also to hardening the electric infrastructure going in and finding the infrastructure that is in those windiest areas and starting to make it as result he enters possible. I want to break this down in the most understandable terms you have a weather monitoring system that includes 15 high definition cameras on s.t.g. Any structures but where are the other monitoring systems and how are you monitoring wind what what's been placed throughout the county Yes So we have placed weather stations and what a weather station is it's a place that our meteorology team measures wind speed wind direction wind gust but then also temperature and relative humidity things that tell us what the fire danger is and we've put that in 190 different locations all over the San Diego Gas and electric power grid. Are you also interfacing at the same time with for example the the National Weather Service with Cal Fire with the many other agencies that traditionally were involved Yes absolutely and I can't say enough to the value of those collaboration's for the last 10 years we have been working very closely with the fire agencies with the National Weather Service with community partners like the Red Cross. And the community emergency response teams but it doesn't stop there it even goes into our local universities so u.c.s.d. Does a lot of work with us and especially with regards to the cameras that you already mentioned but then even u.c.l.a. And other academic institutions really all working on trying to understand this problem the best we can so now you have 10 years of data right here and out of 10 years of data I want you to explain the Santa Ana wildfire threat index what that does and then we'll talk about the fire potential index. Yes So these tools were extremely important for our operations so to help the listeners understand if you were in Florida and there was a hurricane coming they don't just say there's a hurricane coming they tell you whether it's a category one a category 3 or a category 5 and that's really important because you prepare differently for a category one than you would a category 5 that was something that was missing in Southern California when we had these big potential fire events coming they would say up there's a red flag warning but we never knew if it was a Category one or a Category 5 so we worked with u.c.l.a. And the United States Forest Service and we started using all this data that you talked about and we rated every Santa Ana wind event so now to this day when we have any Santa Ana wind coming the Forest Service will rate it on a scale from marginal to extreme which for us now tells us are we dealing with a one in a 10 year event or is this the type of event that we can expect every year and then we can prepare differently and that's where it interfaces with the fire potential index which then determines where you'll do power shutoff correct. The the fire potential index and the Santa Ana wildfire threat index are all tools that will take into consideration when doing a public safety power shut off but it's not a scripted planned type of event will take into account lots of factors. When coming in to a potential power safety power shut off but there's it's not that if the f.b.i. Hits a certain level will automatically see a public safety power shut off there are lots of factors that go into it and and in this comprehensive approach I do want to add additional changes that happen including a vegetation management program and the upgrading of $18000.00 wooden power poles that alone the network of power poles across the state of California the number that are still wooden and in your county you were able to change that number to fire resistant steel poles that that cannot be understated can it. You know and that's the upgrades that we've made to how we operate manage and Janiero the system are a major part of adapting to this climate shift that we've been seeing across California and you know when we look at our vegetation management as you've mentioned this is an area where I mean we have computer programs that track every tree that has the potential of falling into our lines and we keep records of when was the last time that we trimmed back tree how tall is it and now we're even doing additional analytics with our data scientists saying what is the species and what's the chance that that type of tree could get into our lines and then that really helps inform how we maintain all of the vegetation if we have a high risk tree in a windy area that we're going to send folks out and create more clearance. Than we would in other areas that aren't exposed to as much wind and are maybe looking at a tree that's less risky. Is it an accurate summary Brian to say that you have digitized the landscape in a way that allows the power company to specialize the grid. The yes I mean how wide look at it is all of our data right now we've truly transitioned into a big data. Type of response to wildfire so we could say we've digitized the landscape but we have a very comprehensive g.i.s. System which is our geographical information system which really helps us get a very good understanding of where the system is how we've been maintaining it and it really helps us stay ahead of any issues on the system you're listening to Brian D'Agostino he's on the phone from San Diego he is the director of fire science and climate adaptation at San Diego Gas and Electric how many customers does s.t.g. Any serve well we have 1600000 customers here in San Diego in southern Orange County Can I ask your view of how p.g. And e. Handled the power shutoffs over the last week. You know a lot of it down here in San Diego we were so involved in you know how we were operating things in San Diego. How things were done it p.g. And e. I can't speak directly to that now use last weekend as an example though tell me what happened in your county so we know we've got a high wind forecast the Santa Anas are kicking up what's going on in your county at that point. You know well our preparations started days in advance we started reaching out to our community partners. Fire Chiefs the head of the Red Cross as well as community leaders and the County Office of Emergency Services and we reached out and and then from there we came into starting to prepare for the possibility of Public Safety power shut off we did pre inspections of all of our lines and even using all of that vegetation management data we went in and pretty inspected areas that had lots of tree potential on the system and then is the event started we started closely tracking the wind since they started to increase in different neighborhoods and then we did end up employ manning a power safety power shut off in the windiest location there was a lot of discussion over the last week here in the north about power shutoff being in the circuit versus in the region a smaller area versus a wider area how is it broken down and managed in your county. Having 10 years of historical weather data has really helped s.t.g. Become very focused with the public safety power shut off so what we've done is in in some cases once we are of collected data from several Santa Ana wind events we've been able to identify the windiest areas and then start to engineer the electric system so that we can only turn off those areas experience signal strongest winds. I think that you are now interfacing with folks from Sacramento and San Francisco maybe other areas of the state would you characterize that as collaboration's at this point and I'm really speaking to how much is the experience in the system there at the beginnings of being spread out across California we are certainly working statewide on sharing any information collaborating on best practices. And so it is certainly in a situation now where everything that has been developed in the southern part of the state is is now spreading not only across California but across the western United States and then even into places like Australia Spain Greece South America other areas that have really been seeing the increase in wildfire activity across the world the doubt that I've heard Brian about how applicable your work is to the rest of the state usually comes in the form of this well San Diego is one county with one set of agencies to deal with and one mountain range and California is so vast was so many 1000000 people millions of miles of wire and poles it just wouldn't be possible statewide How do you see it. I see it is that we we continue to start. It again when we were here in San Diego it certainly even felt. Insurmountable 10 years ago we were up against a lot of challenges but we took very ambitious steps building a weather network that didn't exist anywhere else in the world starting to harden the infrastructure I think it certainly felt very overwhelming 10 years ago here in San Diego but through the just one relationship at a time consistent evolution continuously working at it we've made a lot of headway over the last decade I can appreciate that you don't want to talk about p.g. And e. Specifically or Southern California Edison. But can you address in a broad sense whether some of the crisis in the rest of the state is more in the area of anticipating and preparing as compared to reacting and recovering and those are words that I know you use down there so can you at least gauge for me where the most work needs to be done right now. You know I think this is a very holistic problem when we look at climate resilience right and what we need to do now as we're seeing the largest wildfires that have ever happened that are in our record in the last 100 years we're seeing the largest fires we're seeing the most devastating so we need to be focused on all aspects how we anticipate prepare as well as react and recover to these events you know as we anticipate these events we need to be the leaders in fire science globally here in the state of California we need to have the best models we need to be working together both the government academia and the utilities in the private sector as as we enhance the fire science that will enable us to anticipate these events as we prepare. Through our wildfire mitigation plans and we show all the process that we're putting together to try to keep our communities safe but then even as we react and as we implement these public safety power shutoff events when needed we have to really focus on those and then the recovery and how we work with emergency agencies and emergency responders moving forward I think all aspects really need to be focused on not that one is more important than the other I think this really takes a holistic approach and talking with Brian Daggett's Deano from San Diego Gas and Electric. It's proven that you had to be visionary to walk in and be able to start creating a weather center and a weather system Brian that didn't exist so can I ask you to be real blue sky about this what could work throughout the state of California what's the potential or what's in your imagination. I think a big part of it is we have to really understand what is driving these catastrophic wildfires so the scientific teams through the universities as well as within the utilities studying the problem and I think statewide we're seeing installations of mountaintop cameras all across the state we're seeing huge innovation not only from . All the utilities right now with implementing new fire behavior modeling tools but also we're seeing this from the fire agencies across the state statewide we're watching we're seeing huge advance Ment's right now in California being the leader globally in fire behavior modeling and fire science moving forward I think that is a key foundational piece because as we really understand the fire environment here in California and not only how it is today but how it's changing that's really going to help us mitigate the risk that climate change has been having across our state your title includes the phrase climate adaptation So is this system an adaptation to what is as so many agencies and people say now the new normal and something that we will continue to live with it absolutely is an adaptation and it's not just one piece of it that's an adaptation it's not just a weather network or it's not just hardening the electric system or partnering with community agencies it's all those things together that really make climate adaptation and it's the things that we have to do differently and how we have to change the way that we've been doing things for 100 years because the environment is different and it's supporting more catastrophic wildfire and the rainfall is less predictable and less reliable as we head into the fall than it's been historically so we have to start changing how we do things. I appreciate all the time you've given us I do want to know what evidence you have Brian that the work that's been done at s d g n e over the 10 year period that we're talking about specifically prevented fires. Well and it's always hard to say when a fire didn't happen that it's been prevented but what we have seen here is that we have not in the last 12 years since 2007 been the source of any major wildfires here in San Diego and that is a purpose driven mission that drives a lot of our workforce here at s.t.g. And me and that kind of remains our mission and goal moving forward and finally anything else to say from your perspective there and the knowledge base you have to people listening in the paradise and Chico area people who were involved in the camp fire and the continuing struggle to recover and to try to be safer in the event of a next incident I think it would be appreciated to hear your words to their ears. To San Diego from experiencing enormous fires in 20032007 can empathize and I think there was a feeling in San Diego of being overwhelmed 10 years ago but the community has come together and San Diego and it's from the utility to the fire agencies. To some urgency responders everybody has banded together over the last 10 years and we are in a far better place now than we were 10 years ago so I think the message is that as we come together and as we collaborate and as we tackle some of these climate driven issues things have improved here in San Diego over the last decade again Brian thank you so much for the conversation and for your time and I appreciate all that we have learned in continue to learn. Thank you for the opportunity to be on your show and have a good day you too that is Bryant Agassi now he is the director of fire science and climate adaptation for San Diego Gas and Electric in the next few days as I mentioned look for Cap radio Scott Rod reporting for the California dream project he has been speaking to business owners who experienced the recent p.g. And e. Power Shot offs you're listening to insight on your n.p.r. Station capper radio. Do you hear something coming is that a summer storm. And ice cream truck. And neighborhood pool party. No it's the 2020 lections not a traditional sound of summer but when you listen to Morning Edition you get all the political coverage you need to stay on top we're guard list of who comes out on top cut through the noise and get to the point with Morning Edition from n.p.r. 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This is insight on caprese you know I'm back through yak brew back is a revered and respected name to jazz lovers everywhere especially to the many friends and colleagues and even family members who live in the Central Valley the 3rd son in the family Chris Brubeck is a Grammy nominee and he's just a favorite person in this region he's a visitor that we're always happy to have in the studio and he's here with us again Hi Chris it's great to be here again thanks for flying in just to pop in on the show this morning you had all the time and he's here with an old friend another very big talent in the region the 2 of them are teaming up for a concert the Saturday at the Harris center and full some it is full Some like symphony music director Peter Jaffe Hello Maestro Well great to be back again how is it when the 2 of you get together how far back does your friendship go it goes quite a long ways and Peter has a better accurate memory but I got to tell you for sure I met Peter because my father was working with him in the Stockton Symphony Orchestra and said You've got to meet this conductor you guys all get along great and he's taller than you. Know Chris I look up to you know. What we could we could be a basketball team but I think it was around the turn of the century because they had just landed the Brubeck Institute at the University of the Pacific and I specifically remember you coming up the hall. The aisle of their hall there and meeting you and it really was really great to hit it off with him right away and at that time we were doing a premiere of Dave called Millennium intervals but after that happened Dave called me into his office that he had temporarily there at u. Of p. And said I hope you won't forget us and I was going are you crazy how could you forget Dave Brubeck and I said let's do a festival and it was that festival in 2003 where I 1st worked with. Chris in a performing capacity and we did your triple Violin Concerto and we did your trombone concerto and that trombone concerto is what he's going to be playing with us with the full select symphony this coming Saturday and so it's kind of like a great reunion not only with Chris but with with the piece I haven't done the piece since that well I have you'll be habited over. I want to listen to a little bit of the music but 1st of all how much of a challenge was it for the musicians to learn this music. You can't call it a challenge you've got to call it downright fun I mean we have been getting into the spirit of James Brown and all of these jazz the rhythms and everything like that and so yeah Chris doesn't write easy music but it's difficult music that that is infectious and you gotta have to have a love for it you want to learn how to play it so Ok and fine here is what I think is the beginning of the 1st movement we'll take a listen and then talk more great. Chris back there on bass trombone and this weekend is such an awesome opportunity to hear and watch you do that same music live Chris Yeah I mean it is fun and I love working with other musicians and if it's fun to connect with the orchestra and especially now that I've been out there doing this basically for like 50 years and so many people as a. I played with your father once or I saw you when you were a kid or you know whatever but the all the ripples through time of a log career always reconnecting when I play anywhere and that's when was the recording we just heard made interesting question I think that was probably made about 2000 something like that I remember well that was with the London Group right as the London Symphony but it was right after Lady Di. Died in the accident because I remember being there the recording sessions and seen mountains of flowers and kids you can park and things like that so that helps you put reference on it that's how I think you. Know we should know that Chris is not only amazing as a composer and on the bass trombone but he's really a triple or quadruple threat in the same concert we're also playing an square dance in an arrangement that Chris made and so Chris will be playing electric bass guitar in that piece plus he will be singing and so even though this was Dave's tune Chris authored a really cute set of words for that song that will be singing along yeah that's that's that's all true but you wouldn't say anything that was interesting I preview some of those lyrics could you could you speak them what's well because I could I guess what's weird about and square dances it's a blues but it's in $74.00 time so because of that $3.00 and $4.00 thing instead of being a 12 bar blues that the 6 bar blues and so the 1st words are trying to play in the blues in the $74.00 it can drive you crazy for sure always looking for the 8 or take one off make it 16 cheap but when you get used to is not just your feet and square dance. I mean you get the whole crowd snapping and clapping along and 7 for time it's really going to be a participatory celebration it's really great you know your story earlier Peter was a nod to the humbleness of of Dave that kind of quality and I risk is humble that way too and I think so and I want to know in your friendship how much latitude the 2 of you have had. And the same with Peter you and Chris's dad in being really honest with each other about your craft or your music the work that you do oh were very honest and in fact even in pieces that he's not directly involved with. I've developed such a trust for Peter's skills of like he can look at a score that I'm working on and I'll ask him questions when I hit sort of like well what would There's 4 different ways I could write this what's the smartest way to write it from a conductor's viewpoint or from the orchestra as you point or can you help me out What do you think about this bowing or that and so I really turned to Peter a lot as a matter of fact he's been helping me with a new piece only so I don't dominate here you tell me Well Chris is written a piece that could have been done years ago but it didn't need to when Dave was still alive but since he died just a few years ago at the age of almost $92.00 Chris is fashion something called the timeout suite which is going to have a lot of the best tunes from that famous album like take 5 or blue on toilet Turk and and he it's actually going to be premiered by the Stockton symphony this coming January and so we've been working on that project and what's really unusual for any composer is a Christmas already finished it. And as part of the chorus that usually composers are you know like putting their finishing touches but you know up until the last minute but to get back to your other question about our working relationship one of the 1st early Project premieres we did together had a very unusual Our Chris wrote a piece that I asked him to do I asked him to do a theatrical slash orchestral piece I didn't have the faintest idea what the topic would be but I just knew from having done Mendelssohn's Midsummer Night's Dream that it would be really cool to do a piece where instead of singing there would be actors on stage with with microphones Chris was the one who came up with the idea of coming up with the complete arc of Mark Twain's life and so he wrote a piece called Marc. Swing's world and we violated every single rule in the creation process because usually what a conductor and institution will do will say we want you to do this instrumentation we want to be about this long and here are the stats and what we ended up doing was Chris kept sending me sketches and I kept saying this is amazing keep going ahead and so we wound up with a piece that was an hour and 3 quarters long and so what we had to do is kick the rest of the music off the program and this just because we can't. Be unfinished Tippett You know to play that for the. Early jazz is in your d.n.a. You're all about breaking the rule is that right you know it's a little late and you know and I had such a template that's funny if I look at it as such a template you know but but I. Recently was reconnecting with with Jamie Bernstein Leonard daughter and and we were really missing We met when we were kids but now she's Because it's burned times since Tenniel she's been out for 3 years you know just during your modeling so much Yeah all these performances and stuff but you know we remind each other that there are both of our fathers pioneered this think we're like Leonard Bernstein is one of the few conductors that didn't look down his very long you know. Coat tails and formal wear at jazz that slow music you know he actually played nightclub tunes in new of the Great American Songbook So he was totally into the idea that you could use a group like the Dave Brubeck Quartet just like you'd use you know classical solace in front of an orchestra Well there's even a recording of Bernstein doing Howard Brubeck tunes to write and of course Bernstein infused all that jazz into West Side Story and so many other pieces to you know when you hear the great tunes of West Side Story like how could someone who look down their nose at American pop music have written such great things and I often say what would have happened to American classical music ever work for Copeland and Bernstein when everyone sort of chased the burnt. Bandwagon off the cliff you know but here's the thing Chris is not just about jazz I mean he's an expert at it and he infuses his music with that but he's really all about the total spectrum of popular American music and if you listen to the last movement of his trombone concerto it's really all about James Brown. It's all I don't know if we're going to get to that part of it but let's start listening to the last movement and see see how it evolves. I have. Never. Ever. Ever. Thank you. Chris Yeah can you jump in here and sing along as you hear this music you can hear I'll Jack do you do You were scouting a moment ago. Well I was just trying to explain that it's you know the average What does this have to do with James Brown and I'm think you know that some of the classic stuff s. Bodo book read up they're going to weed out little triads and so that's in the woodwinds but coming up in a ways we get to a point where it gets more overt and the reason I wrote this piece originally was because it was a commission from a youth symphony orchestra and it was likely for just a ridiculously small amount of money and I said you know that's you know it's not insulting but it's just ridiculous but I have a more ridiculous proposition I've always wanted to write a trombone concerto for myself and only one thing will make me do it is if I have a commission in a deadline so how about I'll be your solo it's an all for your youth orchestra All right this concerto and so I knew what the group was like and for somehow it wasn't the world's greatest youth orchestra but they had a killer Funky Drummer. And he was coming back the next year so I said well if it's wake that's not go hard right there so that's part of the reason why this turned out to be this thing and it's got this when the pianist got bill bill bill bill bill bill bill bill bill bill but this chromatic ascending thing and that kind of reminded me of you know Rod Serling's Twilight Zone and then we had the James Brown thing and I just you know Keith Lockhart thing as well what I want to call the thing I said James Brown in the twilight zone and he said I love that title and oddly enough it was this piece that really large my composing career because I had done a gig with the Boston Pops and the same instrumentation same players as the Boston Symphony and the base trombone to say Chris you have written a thing and I just said well you know I wrote this trauma bitter having no idea it would be meaningful at all in any way but he asked me to send him a copy and I did and he went nuts and he played it live with the Boston Pops and was televised all over the world I mean based remote material get televised and then almost every top based promoters with every symphony played it and pretty soon Keith Walker kept asking me to write different pieces and and that was 20 years ago adduced I'm writing all the time and that is if I do want to say though that people can hear you because you will be performing that music this Saturday at 730 with the full Some like symphony at the Harris center Maestro Peter Jaffe will be conducting before you go you mentioned the Brubeck Institute I know a lot has changed since the passing of your dad and the family honoring the legacy can you tell me what's changing with the Brubeck institute the name and the relationship with you yeah well we accomplished a lot with the universe of Pacific but over those years there was a sort of a renewal time and it got to the point into each party had their different reasons why maybe it wasn't the best thing to continue so our family started a nonprofit called Brubeck living legacy we're continuing Dave and I always work and we'll be able to make an in-built partnerships all over the world so that. All moving forward and we're going to keep good relationships there but the actual Brubeck Institute is not going to be there in the starting next year and also we've got a new thing we're doing to Chris we're going to hold that thought because the chair in the Mike are always open to you in the future but we are running out of seconds here somebody Maestro Jaffe Chris 30 years on line we'll see you at the info I had today thank you. For it. Was. The. Fresh air coming up next from Sacramento State this is Capital Public Radio 90.9 k. X j z f m n h d Sacramento 91.30 pm An h.d. Stockton Modesto Matty point 5. City Reno and 88 point one quake u.n.c. Quincy streaming that Capper radio. To get support from Sierra Nevada journeys offering innovative outdoor science education at their grizzly creek ranch in the Sierra Nevada Mountains for students from Twin Rivers and other school districts learn more at Sierra Nevada journeys dot org. 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