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Was way out in front. Remember how his presidency turned out . He was doubling the showing of the eventual nominee john mccain. And Hillary Clinton, she had an even bigger lead over that illinois senator named barack obama. Bigger one than she has over sanders today. In a moment were going to look at the developing fight between the two leading candidates, donald trump and Hillary Clinton over bill clintons sexual past. And were going to talk to two of the republican candidates who will be making their do or die stand in New Hampshire. But first, lets go to the centers of the political universe for the next 37 days, New Hampshire and iowa. And Kristen Welker and Hallie Jackson are standing by. Let me start with hallee in iowa. We know that its cruz or bust when it comes to iowa. But who else is in the game there . Trump . Rubio . What else is going on . Well, look at whos here this week, chuck. Youve got ted cruz doing his 28 county sixday bus tour. Hes coming out hard, trying to show his campaign is framing it that hes not taking any votes Mike Huckabee is doing 150 stops here over the next month. Hes got four in the can already. So he is a presence. Both of these candidates doing traditional, on the ground retail politics in iowa. Donald trump taking that more nontraditional stance. He will be here on saturday. For cruz, you talked about him, the big question is are expectations potentially for him too high here . Yes, hes got the money. Hes got the organization to go longterm the way that other iowa winners in the past have not had. But if he doesnt come in a strong first here, it will be a blow to his campaign. Theres no doubt but third place, assuming that if cruz and trump, third place becomes an interesting battle. Is it marco rubios to lose . Potentially, especially if you look at where the polling is now, chuck. And for rubios campaign, they need at least, at the very minimum, a strong third place finish here in iowa. They can afford to do that if the first two finishers are donald trump and ted cruz. But at no point in this race, especially in iowa, new in behind jeb bush, Chris Christie, or john kasich. He has got to pull out ahead of those establishment candidates. So, if you buy into that where is marco rubio going to spend more of his time . Hes got to maintain where he is right now in iowa and hes got to build where he is in New Hampshire to try to break away from that establishment pack. Hallie jackson in iowa. Now lets shift over, Kristen Welker is standing by in gorgeous manchester, New Hampshire. And kristen, lets start a little bit with the democrats before we get into the do or die sense. Look, New Hampshire. Very good to the clintons over the years and yet she might be an underdog there. But her big bat s l to make sure she wins iowa, and doesnt give sanders any ground. Absolutely. And its a real jumpball here right now in New Hampshire, chuck. The stakes really couldnt be higher because if secretary clinton wins here in New Hampshire it would allow her to lock up the nomination early. But this is a mustwin state for bernie sanders. And right now, as you point out, a number of polls show that he has the lead here. Hes from neighboring vermont. Equality taking on the big banks and wall street have really resonated with the progressive voters here. He has 18 field offices, and overall, in the last quarter, he raised 33 million just 4 million shy of secretary clinton. So hes in a strong spot. But secretary clinton trying to match that, shes added some events here in New Hampshire today. Shes deploying her not so secret weapon, former president bill clinton, tomorrow, of course, chuck as you point out, they have a relationship with New Hampshire, as well. This is the spot where bill clinton proclaimed that he was the comeback kid. It is the state that revived secretary clintons chances for winning the nomination in 2008. The question is, will they be able to revive that excitement this election cycle . Well, its going to be something to watch. Bill clinton, making his campaign 16 debut. Kristen welker in New Hampshire. Hallie jackson in iowa. Let the games begin. Well its no secret that the republican establishment takes a dim view of both donald trump and texas senator ted cruz. And theyve been looking hard jeb bush . Marco rubio, Chris Christie . Those three have yet to break through. The crowded gop field makes it that much tougher for any one of these socalled establishment guys to dominate. New hampshire is do or die for two candidates hoping to emerge as an alternative to trump and cruz. Governor john kasich of ohio and senator rand paul of kentucky and both are joining me this morning. Let me start in ohio with governor kasich. Governor, good morning to you. Welcome back to meet the press. Thank you. So, New Hampshire, do or die for you, are we saying this correctly . And what does do or die mean . Win or just be the first guy after trump and cruz . Well, we want to be the story, chuck. And let me just tell you that were on the ballot now in over 30 states. We also have our resources well enough where were actually going to be placing a Television Ad up this week. It shows that, you know, people just counting me out. They have all of my career. We just keep plugging along. So i want to be a story. And if im a story i believe ill win the nomination if i the assumption is that youre fighting with three other candidates in New Hampshire sort of for the same type of New Hampshire voters. And thats marco rubio, Chris Christie, jeb bush and yourself. Lets start with the fellow the governor who is surging right now, which arguably is Chris Christie. Why is he surging right now, and why are you struggling to keep up with him . Well, look, the latest poll we had right before christmas put me one point out of second place. So, chuck, i mean you have all kinds of polls that the last one that came out, the independent poll, put me one point behind rubio, and just seven or eight points behind trump. So we believe we are surging. And we do have a great team. And youre going to see it because of what we have on the ground with great enthusiasm. It doesnt say why sit the fact that youve voters in ohio give you high marks. Voters, for instance, in new jersey, give governor christie low marks. In New Hampshire that hasnt mattered. Why . I dont know. You know, here in ohio we have a balanced budget. They dont in over in new jersey. Their credit has been downgraded. Weve got more jobs, and then beyond all of that, always the hit is he has a republican legislature. But i was chairman of the Budget Committee when we balanced the budget, and bill clinton was president. So, i cant explain it to you other than in ohio theres great optimism about the future here both economically and also the sense that everybody has a voice here in the state. Why its happening in new jersey, i dont know. But when you look at the records, you know, frankly ohios doing one of the Fastest Growing and strongest states in the country with even rock solid pensions, which most states dont have. And so i guess thats it. Let me ask you this, a republican strategist said this about your candidacy. I thought it was interesting. Hes been trying to be aggressively bipartisan and thats kind of not where the republican electorate is. Hes trying to be aggressively responsibility and that doesnt seem to be resonating that much in the polls. Is that what youre finding out . Well, again, chuck, i have to tell you, we are like one point out of second place. And secondly, the you know, the thing thats happening is the voters think the whole system is gamed. Okay . And they think that the rich people, the special interests, get all the voice and they have none. And i am the voice of people who have never been listened to really very much throughout my entire career. Both in the congress, and as governor of ohio. And thats the message that i have in New Hampshire, and people who are worried about their jobs, or their children getting the job, im the one that stands up and speaks for them, including those folks who live in the shadows. So, we feel very good about where we are in New Hampshire. And you know, i wont be the comeback kid ill just be the story coming out of that state. Thats what we all believe and were hoping for. Youve been one of these candidates that says youre going to support whoever the republican nominee is. But you had an ad that essentially created an illusion to donald trump and fascism and the nazis. Given that you ran an ad like that, how can you feel comfortable supporting donald well, first of all, thats not what that was about. It was a p. O. W. Who served in vietnam and hanoi hilton, was tortured for five years and said the country needs to be brought together. The country shouldnt be divided. And ive been arguing all along that we have to have Real Solutions to real problems. And people who divide, or for that matter, people who have no experience, chuck let me tell you this, republicans have run around for seven years saying this, i cant believe we picked a oneterm United States senator who has no experience to be president. I just sometimes wonder whether the partys got amnesia. But you didnt answer the question on trump. Why are you comfortable with him because we got a long way to go to the nomination. I dont believe hell be the nominee. And secondly, id like to see his positions become more positive. Because ill tell you this, if he comes in to ohio as a divider, cant win. And what i want to do is beat Hillary Clinton. We need somebody thats going to lift people and unite people. Before i let you go, im going to ask you about the tamir rice decision. Grand jury decided not to indict that shooting. You said protesters need to be heard. So let me ask you, what did you hear . Well, theyre very frustrated. Thats why we created a police and community collaborative. You notice that we had no violence in cleveland with the second controversial decision. The credit goes to the community leaders. Also to the mayor. And the fact is the people in cleveland are saying, well, this is frustrating, you know, we dont want to tear our town down. In addition our chief justice, Maureen Oconnor is beginning to look at the whole grand jury process. Weve been ahead of the curve on this. Lets just hope that the situation can continue and it can be peaceful, even though people still are disgruntled and want to protest. I was just going to say. You called it a controversial decision. It sounds like you dont agree with the grand jurys decision. I dont comment on grand jury decisions. Thats for the people of cleveland to decide. People are on both sides of the issue. They feel very strongly the loss of i 12yearold life and of course its going to be controversial, chuck. All right, governor john kasich. Happy new year. Thanks for being on. Let me turn to now a little bit south of ohio into kentucky, republican senator rand paul. Senator paul, welcome back to meet the press, sir. Thanks for having me. I looked at your campaign schedule. The last public event you had was on december 16th. That was in nevada after the last debate. You havent been to iowa since i believe the 12th, New Hampshire before that. I have to ask, senator, whats going on . Two weeks off the campaign trail. Are you still fully running . You know, i also believe in being with my family. I also had to hone up my surgical skills. Ive been doing some pro bono surgery. Also had a few fundraising trips around the country in between then. But i think weve been to iowa and New Hampshire as much or more than any other candidate. Ill be in New Hampshire actually New Hampshire this evening and then ill be in new york and then ill be in iowa for the rest of the week. So, we also do a job. I mean, i have a job as senator. Im one of the few of the candidates that actually shows are missing the vast majority of their votes. I feel i have an obligation to the taxpayer that pays my salary. I was just going to say youve taken to twitter quite a bit in that time. First it was to celebrate festivus. We have a big seinfeld themed show today. Also you did some new years resolutions and you went right after senator rubio and cruz. You said i resolve to spend less time voting in the senate so marco rubio and ted cruz dont look so bad. Then you said this about ted krauz. I resolve to give ted cruz more lead time before i announce my policy positions so you can replicate them faster. So you believe that basically he steals all your ideas . Well, you know, they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. And i think on Foreign Policy he started talking about regime change being a bad idea. Toppling secular dictators being a bad idea. And i think ive been the leader on that issue and i continue to. And its an important voice. In fact i think that was the most important thing weve had the entire president ial season is weve finally had a real whether regime change is a good idea. They need to have that on the democrat side, too. Because it turns out that probably the most likely candidate to take us back to war is Hillary Clinton, because she supports regime change as a good concept. You know, its interesting, senator, when i read what you say about isis, and your strategy to take on isis, and i hear president obama say what he says about isis, i dont see a lot of daylight between the two of you. Where am i wrong . Actually, the difference is is that president obama and Hillary Clinton both supported arming the syrian rebels, the islamic rebels, against assad. I wouldnt have done that. They also supported toppling gadhafi and libya. So really the interesting thing is, is while obama gets blamed for not intervening enough, hes actually intervened quite a bit in the middle east. And i think not to our benefit. And so i wouldnt arm the rebels in syria. I wouldnt have toppled gadhafi. And we continue to sell arms to saudi arabia, which continues to be sort of an arsonist in that you know, just yesterday executing a shiite cleric which i think is going to erupt into more problems in saudi arabia. So, i think my Foreign Policy is quite a bit different. I also dont believe in giving foreign aid to people who are enemies, and supplying weapons to the allies of al qaeda, as obama has. Right. So really im kind of the opposite. The interesting thing is the grahams and the mccains have been on the same side as obama, they just want more of what obamas been doing. Let me ask you one more question about ted cruz. Do you think he deserves this reputation in the senate that hes difficult to work with . You know, i think people have different strategies, and approaches to how they deal with people. Ive had many disagreements with those in leadership but i try to keep it on a professional basis. I dont go to the floor and call people liars, because i dont think that, one, that meets the rules of the senate. The rules of the senate say youre not supposed to attack someones character. And i think you can call them out, and ive given tenhour speeches, 13hour speeches but talking about the history of our country, the history of the bill of rights, the importance of the Fourth Amendment and privacy but i tend not to have the same strategy of attacking people personally. It hasnt done well for him in washington. It may be rousing people, but ultimately i dont think hell that kind of personality would allow him to be the nominee. You know you started this race as one of the frontrunners. A lot of people thought you were going to be one of the frontrunners at this point in time. Youre not there. That doesnt mean you wont be at some point. But are you frustrated with how this campaign has turned out . The focus on trump . What is it that is i feel the frustration in reading your tweets. You clearly are. Can you put it into words . Yeah, the interesting thing is, is that i think the polls are not scientific. A lot of people who follow polls never had any math classes. They dont understand anything about standard error, standard deviation. You are right about that. And the problem is, is that theyve been way wrong. I mean, look, we just had polling in the kentucky race and a week before when theyre supposed to be most accurate if i do have a frustration were being led by the nose and the news media is led by the nose to think somehow trump is going to win this because of these polls. The polls dont, i believe, capture whos going to actually vote. We have great popularity with students. I had 1,000 students at George Washington a few weeks ago. 1,000 students at iowa state. And the thing is, have you ever met a College Student that has answered a president ial poll . If we turn them out were going to shock people like youve never seen. But the problem is, is that its a selffull filling cycle. Really in the end nobody knows and we ought to have a little bit more of an even approach to how we approach the news. Im in favor of what the voters say. Fair enough. Senator rand paul, happy new year, sir. Thank you. Happy new year to you. Appreciate it. Up next, donald trump versus Hillary Clinton. He did it again this morning, folks. Clinton accuses trump of sexism and trump hit back by going after bill. Attacking bill to get to hillary has never w [ male announcer ] some come here some come here to build something stronger. Others come to build something faster. Something safer. Something greener. Something the whole world can share. People come to boeing to do many different things. But its always about well, one of the most Significant Development this is past week was the emerging battle between two candidates who just might face off in november Hillary Clinton and donald trump. And trump decided to fire back. He said if thats how she wants to play it, fine. Then its fair for them to go after bill clinton and his his are i with women. Zbl she wants to accuse me of things and the husband is one of the great abusers of the world in give me a break. Donald trump is saying nothing is off limit, including the clinton marriage. If hes out campaigning, hes fair game. Tomorrow, former president bill clinton will make his first Solo Campaign stop for the psych until New Hampshire. I am tired of the stranglehold that women have had on the job of president ial spouse. [ cheers and applause ] nearly nine months after announcing her president ial bid, Hillary Clinton is still struggling with how to effectively use her most highprofile surrogate. President clinton has had a mixed record campaigning for others. I dont have to defend myself. In 2008, his bitter attacks on then senator obama backfired . This whole thing is the biggest fairy tail ive ever seen. In 2012, he became obamas best standin, embracing his role as the president s secretary of explaining stuff. We were losing 750,000 jobs a month. Are we doing better than that today . The answer is yes. This year, bill clinton remains the most popular political figure in america. Its still not clear whether hes an asset or a liability for his wifes campaign. Bernie sanders is campaigning against bill clintons centrist school of democratic policy. I led helped lead the effort as a member of the House Financial Committee against alan greenspan, against a guy named bill clinton, maybe you know him, maybe you dont. Hillary clinton has carefully distanced herself from her husbands legacy on free trade, Financial Regulation and criminal justice. But she has also embraced bill im not running for my husbands third term and i am not running for Barack Obamas third term. Im running for my first term. But trump is trying to do to hillary what no republican has successfully done make bill clintons personal problem a political liability for her. Trump wasnt always so critical of the former president s personal life. The clintons were guests at trumps third wedding and in the late 90s trump criticized moralists in congress who express public outrage at the president s immoral behavior. He had sex but now they talk about the kind of sex, where it took place, where it was, on the desk, off the desk. I mean, its so out of control. Even in 2008 trump called clintons affair totally unimportant. And he has his own complicated marital history. Are your own affairs fair game . Yes, they would be. Hillary brought up sexist and i reversed it on her. She has a major problem, happens i have the panel here. Host of hardball, chris matthew, jennifer rubin, sara fagen, george w. Bushs administration and eugene robinson, also a Washington Post columnist in. Welcome all. Chris, whats trump up to with these clinton attacks . Whats he up to . Hes playing defense because he got caught with the charge of sexism so hes shooting back. But in 1998, the republican bill clinton. Two years later Hillary Clinton was elected u. S. Senator. Theres a caw causality. The way she handled the situation, the stoll it way she handled it, going up for chuck schumer, despite all the embarrassment it made her look strong and gave her a chance to prove herself as an independent political figure. If she hadnt been elected to the United States senate, hadnt had the guts to run for it she would have a candidate in 2008. I think this is a shrewd move for him in the primary more importantly than the general because heres a person who clinton was the president he admired most of recent history. More than either president bush, he admired bill clinton. He defended him as you pointed out. He call Hillary Clinton a friend, called her a great senator. He needed a shift. Youre saying he needed a shift . He needs to inoculate himself against coming attacks. I think this has everything to do with the republican primary and nothing to do with the democrats or general election. Trump is the man who channels anger. He is the guy who he says speaks against political correctness. Well, this is what hes doing. This is what his folks like to hair. They like to hear attacks on democrats, they like to hear irreverence and i think this is the act hes been doing all along that niece the primary. The other thing hes doing is establishing himself or portraying himself as the republican candidate. Inevitability. And the general election, him versus Hillary Clinton. Just when were focused on the primary. Thats good for him. But theres always a reason why trump goes after somebody. Let me play for you what i think set trump off initially and it had nothing to do with sexism. Its what Hillary Clinton said at a debate. He is becoming isis best recruiter. They are going to people, showing videos of donald trump insulting islam and muslims in order to recruit more radical jihadists. Now listen to this. Now, obviously there was no video at the time that existed. That was not true. In the last 48 hours there is a video out there. Al shabab and Al Qaeda Affiliated group in somalia, i think well show some form of this that basically just shows donald trump doing this. He thats what set him off, chris. So now hell say she gave them the idea. What do you mean by that . The fact that she said theyre using his video to recruit, well, subsequent to her saying that, they began to do it. It was friday thats what his logic is going to be. I think his reaction was you say i mean and youre guessing. Ill show you something. Heres what his supporters said in biloxi, mississippi, about the charge. I dont believe it at all. I dont. I dont believe it at all. Screw them damn muslims. Thats bologna. I dont believe a second of it. No. I think its stupid news people. Its not happening. Its not happening. Its just making donald trump look bad. Right. Of anything. They dont believe any bad piece of information about trump. This is the irony or the horror from the point of view of the republican establishment that he can say anything, do anything, it can be completely and its a fascinating thing hes trying to do, though, which is stupid news people. So in every rally hi points out the press standing back there and he points and said those its a little antagonistic. This is donald trump who lives on the exposure that this gives him. I think youre right. When a candidate, an opponent, points out his inexperience in politics, thats when he goes ballistic and hes too bombastic and too shortsighted to understand that these comments resonate around the world. And when he gets called on it, he lashes out. But let me point something out to you, chris, because youll be interviewing Hillary Clinton. Tuesday. Tuesday. He does find a way to get at the one thing that somebody doesnt want to talk about. And while its always benefitted Hillary Clinton wherever theres conversation about bill clintons past, she hates talking about it. Well, who would . Who would like talking about it . Its a soft spot. I want to talk about the clip of those three people in biloxi. There is a revolutionary spirit in this country right now. Ive been reading i went back and saw the two versions of tale of two cities. Its about this anger that were going to talk about. About the establishment. The regime. The bourbons, the bushes. Wars our young men have to fight in. More and more deployments, trade deals to give away good jobs to china. Immigration that gives bad jobs to immigrants and people are so angry about that, they dont want to hear details about what shabab is up to. You just gave me a good segue. Were going to talk a lot about making people angry in the show but i want to do a commercial break. When we come back, president obama used his weekly address to talk about guns and hes looking to close the gun show loophole without congress. Then back to 2016 and what chris just told you about. Why americans are so angry about Politics Today and who is it the flu virus hits big. With aches, chills, and fever, theres no such thing as a little flu. And it needs a big solution an antiviral. So when the flu hits, call your doctor right away and up the ante with antiviral tamiflu. Prescription tamiflu is an antiviral that attacks the flu virus at its source and helps stop it from spreading in the body. Tamiflu is fda approved to treat the flu in people two weeks of age and older whose flu symptoms started within the last two days. Before taking tamiflu, tell your doctor if youre pregnant, nursing, have Serious Health conditions, or take other medicines. If you develop an allergic reaction, a severe rash, or signs of unusual behavior, stop taking tamiflu and call your doctor immediately. Children and adolescents in particular may be at an increased risk of seizures, confusion, or abnormal behavior. The most common side effects are mild to moderate nausea and vomiting. Antiflu . Go antiviral welcome back, president obama is trying again to limit the number of guns in america. The president will meet with his attorney general, loretta lynch, tomorrow and discuss steps he believes he can take legally without congress. One step he plans on taking is this changing the definition of a gun dealer so that people who sell firearms at gun shows fit that definition and have to use the background check system when they sell. Essentially this is the president s way of closing the gun show loophole without congress. In december, gun safety advocate captain mark kelly and his wife, former representative Gabrielle Giffords who survived a horrific week, by the way, met with president obama about some possible new gun measures. The former nasa astronaut and cofounder of americans for responsible solutions joins me now. Meet the press, sir. Thanks, chuck. What he might be considering. You have made recommendations to the president. The gun show loophole appears to be the most substantive idea out there. Is it feasible . Well, we think it is so after the newtown tragedy congress tried to get past a piece of legislation that would close those loopholes. It failed during a filibuster in the senate. After that, gabby and i directed our staff at americans for responsible solutions to look for other alternatives. As it would turn out, the reason why we have some of these loopholes that you can drive a truck through with 40 of gun sales not requiring a background check is because the way they regulation the way they define in the business of selling firearms. Lets say he make this is change. You cant enforce the change without resources and as you know atf is an agency starved of resources. We did a comparison when it comes to regulation with the fda, for instance, and over the last decade the fda over the last five years the fda has seen resources from congress. Atf not even 10 . In fact, they have fewer staff today than they did five years ago. If you dont have atf staff, you cant enforce these new regulations. Well, thats true and so one of the other things we need to do is work on getting atf the money it needs to do its job. But the other side of that, chuck, is that one of the things that has frustrated the atf for all these years is the fact that they know there are individuals out there selling hundreds if not thousands of guns a year and they dont have the authority to do anything about it. Often sold to criminals without a back ground check and they cant do anything about it. So we need to fix that part of this as well. Youre right, the funding is important. I know one of the things that you have said weve had this conversation before, you want to try to get, i guess, the east coast or urban america to understand the gun culture in rural america. How do you translate that to the president . Well, the president and i have talked about this. When you look at places in middle america, people who make less money than they used to, i just saw this blog entry by Fareed Zakaria the other day that the one area is middle aged white men where Life Expectancy is going down. So you have this segment of society that feels like theyre losing things and they look at gun issues and their right to own a gun as one of those things they might be losing. Now, the other side of this is we have horrific or horrific levels of gun shot every year, 30,000 dead. And there are solid things like closing these background check loopholes that will have a Significant Impact on the number of people that die in this nation. A lot of people say if you enforce the laws on the books maybe some progress is made, are you one of those that believes that . Well, you know, its interesting that that is used by the gun lobby and i heard it when i was testifying in front of the Senate Judiciary committee. And what theyre getting at is charging the individual, felons who try to buy a gun and fail a background check. What these individuals dont point up that use that line of enforcing is current laws is we have prevented felons and people who are domestic abusers and people who are dangerously mentally ill from buying a gun nearly two million times because they failed a background check. Of course we need to enforce the laws. But at the same time, preventing those two million individuals from getting a gun has had a serious impact on gun violence. Mark kelly, ill leave it there. Americans for sensible solutions on gun safety. You later in the week when we hear there are the president. Now for the other side of this conversation joining me now the Lieutenant Governor of texas, dan patrick. On january 1, a new law went into effect in texas making it the largest state in the union to allow people to openly carry handguns in public. Governor patrick, welcome to meet the press, sir. Chuck, good to be with you. In terms of your previous guest, totally wrong on inner cities or the cities to the rural areas. First of all, since president obama became president weve seen gun permits increase from 4. 7 million to almost 13 million. A 15 increase last year. And one of the largest areas of people getting gun permits are people in urban areas who are afraid, particularly women whose gun permits have increased 270 compared to men, 156 . Chuck, everyone in america knows Law Enforcement does a great job but theyre after the fact in most cases, you have to defend no one understands that better than texas. Were the 45th state that allows open carry in america. Now, theres a lot of Law Enforcement struggling to figure out how youre going to decide if somebody is open carrying as a weapon and somebody sees a person carrying a weapon, they may call 911 and say hey, theres somebody in the mall carrying a weapon. Now its legal in texas but thats going scare some people. Is this not sort of a asking chaos, frankly . No, its not. Why . No, its not, chuck. In fact, Law Enforcement from oklahoma came and testified before our committees in the legislature and texas and said it hasnt been a problem. Again, 44 states chuck have open carry. Michigan has had it for 175 years. Vermont always had it. We havent seen these problems. Concealed carry which weve had in texas since the mid90s, weve virtually had zero problems. Someone with a concealed carly 12 times less likely to commit even a misdemeanor. This is just propaganda by those who either dont like guns, who are afraid of guns, which i respect, some people dont like them. But dont stop us who love guns, who love the Second Amendment from being able to protect ourselves, our families, our businesses and our friends. You have to meet a higher threshold of a background check to get a concealed carry permit and to get this in essence to get an open carry permit. Why shouldnt that be the standard for all gun ownership . You know, im one who believes the Second Amendment guarantees everyone the right to own a gun. In fact, in the so why are we regulated anything . Why is there any standard on open carry . By that standard there shouldnt be a standard on open carry, right . Chuck, because its been an evolving process. In 2030 00 only 30 showed people need a gun to protect themselves, now 60 believe that. Its an evolving issue. Even the Supreme Court evolved. The Supreme Court said the Supreme Court gar reed those rights to individuals, not just militias. So only new york, illinois, california, South Carolina and florida dont allow open carry. So do you think there are too many hurdles. Do you think there are too many hurdles to get a concealed carry permit or an open carry permit . No, and i think, again, thats that is evolving. I passed a bill as a senator before i became Lieutenant Governor that changed the process of getting permit to online only, for example. So all of the states are evolving and i want to see a day whenever american citizen can simply have a gun, does not have to go through a long ordeal or pay a high price, were going to address that in texas as well because its the right of every individual under the Second Amendment. Texas is the largest state to have open carry. And let me also add this, chuck. Everywhere that we have more citizens carrying guns, crime is less. Theres a study showing that where states have open carry or open carry the crime is down 25 . Murders are down. Having lawabiding citizens having guns is a good thing. In fact, chuck okay. Every one of the Mass Shootings except two in america since 1950 have been gunfree zones and every one in europe. Where people have guns, bad guys dont go and youll never stop bad guys from getting guns with background checks at gun shows. Let america have their guns. Let them defend themselves and america will be a safer place. I have a feeling we wont resolve this political debate this morning on meet the press. Lieutenant governor dan patrick, thanks for coming on the show this morning. Thank you. Up next, well go back to the 2016 race and focus on this issue. We know americans are angry at our politics. Its the fining characteristic of this election season. Well look at whos angriest and why. First, i want to make a note of a passing this week. Former arkansas senator and governor dale bumpers died. He was a moderate southern democrat who many thought would be the First Arkansas governor to become president. 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A majority, 54 of whites, said theyre angrier compared to 43 of latinos and 33 of africanamericans. And while there is anger on both sides of the political aisle, theres more anger among republicans, 61 of them sayer that angrier than last year compared to 42 of democrats who describe themselves that way. Moment of our survey. Its women who are angriest. 53 of women said theyre angrier today than they were a year ago compared to 44 of men. And its white women who are most angry of all. 58 say theyre angrier today than a year ago compared with 51 of white men. So weve told you who is angry. When we come back in a moment, well attempt to tell you why these folks are angry and who might benefit the most later in this campaign. And later, you wont want to miss president obama getting coffee with jerry seinfeld. 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When you look at the ethnicities, whites are the angriest of all americans with white women in particular. But when you ask them why, the majority of white men and women American Dream is not what it used to be. That americas leadership role in the world isnt what it used to be and life didnt turn out for them. This is the anger of perceived diminishment and its why a slogan like make America Great resonates so strongly with white middleclass voters. Chris, you were tapping, i said you were providing a great segue and you said thats it. Theres a deep sense of betray betrayal. Economic nationalism. Jobs are going to china, our sons and daughters are being reupped in the military for more deployments in w this back door draft so the working guy and woman says were getting screwed and nobody is respecting our american citizenship. I think theres also an atmospheric element to that. Its the fact that its demographic change means that the country is getting less white, there wont be a white majority in a few years and also, you know, you get online and youre on voice mail and you have to press one to continue in english or two to i think the atm exactly. I was really surprised by the findings that it was women that were more angry than men. So were we. Well, its conventional wisdom of the angry white male. But if you think about middle aged women taking care of kids, taking care of parents, having made no more money, really, in 25 years, and at least they had being an american and now theres a question about that. Richard, jump in here. I think the most important thing when it comes to women is that yes they share the same frustrations as men as far as the direction of their lives. But unlike men, theyre much more empathetic to others. So they look at the news feeds and headlines and when they see Police Brutality against blacks, that i see discrimination against lgbt they take that personally so that tips them over. Its an expanded portfolio of anger. I dont think we can disregard what chris said, which is about the nationalism. Like america is not great and thats that weve had a disastrous Foreign Policy for at least seven years, if you want to go back farther than that people are going to argue 15. Yeah, lets go back further than that. So when we have a president that seems to be almost indifferent to attacks on american soil, when he seems to be ridiculing the American People for being concerned and says its cable tv, people do get angry about that and i think you cant and he doesnt the lack of national leadership. On the other side, i dont think you can ignore the culture of the right which has become perpetually angry which is the talk Show Television sort of culture. Some of this is partisan driven but i think jennifer is right. You have a president who hasnt been strong in attacking jihadism and thats but, by the way, democrats are angry when a republican is in the white house and republicans are angry when a democrat is in the white house. Sure. Thats true. Theres not reason to be exactly. Say. Rather than anger being in discrete pockets across the political and ideological spectrum, were seeing it donald trump and bernie sanders. Were seeing in the black lives movement. Its wherever right now. In addition to our politics, weve had a complete breakdown of confidence in institutions in that adds to it. Not just political institutions. The courts, religion, the news media, everything. Richard, i want to give you the last word . Cultural . Economic . Both. Everything. But i wouldnt discount cultural issues because when you look at black americans today. Even though they might have a more legitimate case to be angry they are less angry than whites. Ill leave it there. Richard, this is our second project, hopefully we can have another partnership. In the next time. Dont forget, tuesday, the newsstand. Well be back in 60 seconds with why attacking donald trump is about telling a story from more than one perspective. By allowing you to see things from more than just one point of view. That s a story worth telling. Welcome back. Theres one thing donald trump has said that cant be denied attack him at your own peril. You have political bodies to prove it. Watch this. Donald trumps candidacy is a cancer on conservatism and it must be clearly diagnosed, excised, and discarded. We can make America Great again. But we will not do that by putting an unserious and unstable narcissist in the white house. Donald trump has done the one single thing you cannot do declare war on islam itself. Donald trump is the knownothing candidate of the all right. So those are all 1 ers looking for a way in. But, gene, i think theres a reason why john kasich, for instance, was so hesitant to attack trump and rand paul hesitant hesitant, would rather attack cruz and rubio. Theyve been through that and people are hesitant to attack him because of the way he comes back and he has great instincts for winding the weak point and going after it and working it and working it. Hes the kid in school that gives you the nickname. He knows your nickname. Old squeaky shoes. In fairness, there are people still in the race, of course, who are attacking trump including kasich not successfully. 6 . 5 . We also have rubio at times going against him. The reason that bobby jindal failed was not because he attacked trump, it was because he was an awful candidate. But as this field continues to narrow and its donald trump versus one or two other candidates, thats when this race will really come into focus and im not saying he wont do well. Ive heard this before. But the challenge right now for the mainstream republicans is there are too many candidates and we need to have one candidate. Okay, its interesting you say that. New hampshire, i cannot figure out. Everybody says theyre all in New Hampshire, christie, rubio, bush. Very good reason. Very good reason for. That i get it. I know its a good electorate. Five points between five people behind trump. Ted cruz is going to finish second or first New Hampshire, people will go how the heck did that happen . Maybe not. Its very close. Christie is sending a huge amount of time on the ground, hes making a big deal cruz is not. Your own videos showed hes spending 48 days in cruz hasnt been in New Hampshire since november. Correct. Look, in a normal year when people finish third in primaries we dont think theyre doing so hot. I think thats different this year and were talking about people who will be lucky to finish third in iowa or New Hampshire. Cycle. Heres the situation. You have donald trump at roughly 30 in New Hampshire and then five candidates behind him all bunched up together. Five points separating them. After iowa, this thing is going to jumble again. Its possible no establishment candidate wins any primary or caucus. Thats what i think. Once you have the taint of the establishment, youre dead meat. This is a headline. Marco rubio doesnt add up. He is supposed to be the savior of the establishment and yet he doesnt spend enough we dont know his money. You know why . Because he doesnt have money totals better than ted cruz. Well, maybe he wants to save them for after the holidays when people are paying attention to the news. Next. I think the issue with marco rubio is that hes a little too polished, a little too glib, a little too effortless for his own good. And the wrong year to be correct. People want this intense emotional connection. Hes giving it to people in New Hampshire. Christie to me is one that i would watch. He has Donald Trumpesque style but a record of governing in a difficult time. Lets see how he goes about it. Its a fair point. Lets close with fun before we go. Ive been teasing this seinfeld thing for a week, i better get there. Weve had a so about a lot of things, not nothing. If you missed this, take a look. This was president obama doing comedians in cars getting coffee with jerry seinfeld. Its a big hit on digital. If youre one of those guys even though you seem very relaxed, youve got to go off at some point with food. Whats your thing with a tray of cookies. Nachos. Nachos . Thats one of those where i have to have it taken away. Its the guam moly coming out of my eyeballs. Theres a longer one. You have to look at it about why he thinks politics is like football and he talks about sometimes you have to punt