Transcripts For KRCB Charlie Rose 20131002

Thats for me an achievement that i ever wanted to achieve. Rose sir Alex Ferguson next. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Call to order. The most respective tribute for the man they all call the boss. Rose sir Alex Ferguson is here. He retired as manager of Manchester United Football Club earlier this year. He won 13 Premiership League titles over his 26 year career, among many other trophies. The Washington Post has said, compared to john maddon, or Vince Lombardi winning 13 super bolles during their careers, of course that really didnt happen but you get the point. Fergusons extraordinary success has seen his influence extent way i way beyond soccer game he loves so much. Former british Prime Minister tony blair roms calling him for advice on his cabinet and they have called him britainsrrel f jobs. Heres his speech. In the his tray of this club has won five fa cups, four league cups, a european winners cup, one european super cup. Two Champion League titles, a world cup and 13 primary league titles. It doesnt mean the end of my life with these clubs. Ill be there to enjoy watching them while suffer with them. But if you think about those last minute goals that come back, even to defeat unbelievable for all of us. Thank you for that. [applause] and also, i would like to remind you that the club stood by me. All my staff stood by me, the players stood by me. Steve job knows to stand by their new manager. Rose i should say thats a new manager that you chose. Yes. Rose but you left him in a very tough place to be because hes following you. Yes. Rose some would say you dont want to follow the guy who follows Alex Ferguson you want to follow the guy that follows Alex Ferguson. Lets begin, sitting here at this point before an American Television audience. Manchester united. Tell me about Manchester United. Well, the thing is i think this goes back to the 1950 disaster, sympathy which it was justified because it was a young team going. It could have been a great team. And all the players were 21 years of age. And most of them had a wife. But that was only the start of the story. I think the real story was when the european cup within ten years. I think that created what was that got bigger and bigger and bigger. My first trip out to taiwan in 1988, thousands outside in the corridors knocking on doors. And that love of the club has only grown. Rose what accent do i detect in your voice. West region. You have some scott in you also. Rose i do indeed. I dont say it as well as you do though. No, no. Rose that wouldnt be your nature. No, no. Rose heres one thing you said. For a player and for any human being, theres Nothing Better than hearing well done, those are the two best words ever invented in sports. You dont need to use superlatives. People get carried away. I just minimize it, getting all that. Im satisfied and then im craving to any level i want to take it. Well done. Rose when you arrived, i mean you had been a player and a manager. When you arrived there in 1986. It was a club. My main force was with Young Players and developing Young Players. Manchester did not use the system where we should expect go back to the 58 mark and all that. I decided i must build a super club. They do know their nature what we were hired to develop the use system which give me a stream of players continually through year after year and right up to present day. It was just a day. Rose think about this. Just recently, today, when we have to make sure, you call it football, we call it soccer just for everybody, for the sake of different references. We read every season of somebody going from one team to another. Some team buying some player because they think that will take them. Yes. Well the way that the game as changed in terms of television and satellite television, the money that comes in by television gives the club the opportunity, even teams spending 25 million in players, you know. We do buy players but we also have this great use system. Rose but the best dynasties always have some capacity to create a dynasty is to create a system that will constantly produce new players. And a system that allows them to grow into their own. Time. Rose time. Thats the secret. And of course with Young Players, not just you can create your teams for three, four, five, six years, you also create a great loyalty. Theres always the manager giving them the first chance. They will always appreciate that opportunity given them. And yet getting Young Players at 16 years of age in games at 16 years of age has never been lost and giving players the ability to play for united. Rose did all the money sometimes cause you to say its not worth it for me to create the unity of a team, you know, to have somebody that makes as much money or be as caught up in all the stardom. Absolutely. Ive never worried about teams who spend whatever they want to spend. At the moment were getting a lot of american owners and russian owners. It never bothered me one bit. All i can say is how we can maintain our level of expectation, be a competitor, be at the top part of the league. Dont win every year but always compete every year. Make sure we are there. There are different ways. We spoke of the Young Players thats very important but from time to time we have spent big money and the player can make the difference. Rose who is the best player you ever saw . Im as a kid was never this great rose right. The present day youve got to look at them they are unbelievable. Rose the best have what in common . I think its courage. I say this, the courage to take the ball, the courage to make sure theyre not going to be intimidated by their opponents. The courage to express themselves taught. Rose are they born with it . Yes, possibly. Rose but you cant acquire it. You can develop it through coaching. But i dont think you can develop the courage. Rose you either have courage or not. Yes. Rose just like the best basketball players want the ball in the last 15 seconds. Yes. You always see heres a player wants the ball all the time. Heres the one that wants to take the free kicks all the time. Heres the one that dominates. Rose thats the one you want because thats a winner. Yes, absolutely. Rose this is what the magazine said but. Mr. Ferguson could reasonably be described as britains steve jobs given his unorthodox obsessed and sometimes bruising approach to making something beautiful. Well talk about all those things, but did you think you were making something beautiful . I think that the encouragement i got from the airway part once they called rose people wanted you fire. Yes, exactly. One or two banners were up saying things. It was the combination and i knew the things it was doing was correct. So the board, the chairman and bobby in particular stood by me because they knew what was happening. By doing that, they knew we had Something Special in these Young Players back from scores. They all come to the first Team Roundabout the same time. When people were fascinated of today maybe they dont understand that those boys were the spell of the club. They created a fantastic spirit in manchester as it is today. Rose this is part of business for you. You went up there and they developed the taste test. What was the question. Generally these things have a question. The main Central Point of the discussion was love and hate. Rose love and hate. And do the players love me or do the players hate me or was there a balance. And of course there was also many different opinions of that. Thats all its for. Rose somebody said they either love you or respect you, you would say respect every time. Yes. Rose suppose they said love or fear. Fear, i think fear does come in some respects in the sense of i dont hide in terms of i lost my temper. But do you know when i lost my temper i never have brought it back again. Rose yes, right. In other words you just popped off and then you didnt hold grudges. Never, never hold a grudge. Thats very very important. And then you understand what you are and who you are. And they can get support from that. Rose youre a fan of Doris Kearns Goodwin and her book team of rivals which was lincoln choosing his rivals for his cabinet because he respected the talent and thats who he wanted. He chose his cabinet and he was aware, you know. Very clever. And of course i think that lincoln in that time faced the most difficult period for a president in terms of the north and also he was very good at not making quick decisions. He thought it all through and ordered his cabinet to have a say and then decide thereafter. Rose did you see the movie lincoln. Yes. Rose did you like that. I didnt think it was a great movie, i thought the essential piece of the time, the period had to deal with was fantastic and the acting was unbelievable. Rose but understanding he had to do everything he could, push, pull. Yes, yes. Rose in order to get emancipation because that was the goal and he understood the consequences so lets go all out for emancipation. And after that would not say a particular to get emancipation proclamation. It was important, you know. Rose you were kind of a student of the civil war. A little bit. I think its a great history, its a young history. The funny thing about it is i bought a couple boots, i went to a boot store and i discovered boots of interest. This went back 1415 years ago. I was in london one time doing something with the young apprentices. And he said what are you reading. I started a couple books in the civil war. He sent a dozen tapes of a professor at the university. And i was playing my card every morning going to work. And i got fascinated by it, you know. It was fantastic history. Rose the battlefield sites. Ive been there. Rose gettysberg. Gettysberg. Rose bull run. The first part of course. And i went up to princeton to meet james mcpherson, the great historian of the civil war. Great battle cry of freedom. He was terrific, he was really very very engaging and very accommodating in terms of how he saw it and things like that. Rose but not world war ii, not world war i, not the war of 1812. It was the civil war that speaks to you as an object. I took on, i grew more interested and more interested. And i went to a gentleman, and he does every armament was used in the civil war and he showed me sherman. It was fantastic. Rose burned. Finished the whole thing. Rose famously saying the war is hell. Yes. Rose destroyed all the tracks and i think he may have said im not sure but the people are the ones who fight him. Patton may have been an exception. Do you remember he said i love it. He loved the war. Rose i think he loved command is what he loved, patton. And the challenge or napoleon probably loved it too. I think before you enter war or enter an army you think its great to joint army. When you get there and you go through these combats. Rose it changes you. And thats where you develop youre not fighting for your country but your comrades, the people next to that youve grown to be. So you go to Harvard Business school and they want to do this case study about all of this the question of love versus hate. You come up with this thing called the ferguson formula a formula for leadership, a formula for what . Management. I think leadership comes along theres no question for that control. Everyone seems like a bunch of millionaires you know and the money is there and football is extraordinary. You have to control that part. I think there are certain things i would like, you know actually to me, they are human beings. Development of character so that when they leave me, they can go anywhere, you know. And i think that is really important part. Some things is education. Its not always teaching them history or mathematics, some things inspire them to be the best. Rose i think teaching them life. Absolutely. I think that is important. And you also developing the character. You know theyre going to develop the right character many times. Once they go in that field theyre playing for all the things you ever taught them. The winning mentality, the determination, how to handle defeat. Its also just as important. And therefore you develop a group of people, you should see yourself in them. And i think i tried to do that all the time. Rose so every team member plays for you, you look at him and see yourself. Not all of them. Rose if you dont, do you you keep developing. Everyones different of course. They express themselves in different ways. They have different types of talents of course. And some i would never have the talent they had when i was a player. But i still had the determination to be success or trying my best. Rose you talk and i talked, we had a meeting on sunday messenger and we were talk meeting and we were talking about often players dont make good coaches or managers because they dont understand someone who doesnt have the same skills you have. Yes. Thats a factor. I remember speaking to bobby over that and he was the manager at the north end and he couldnt understand why the players, he couldnt understand them. So he gave up on that. He was honest to say this is enough for me. Its a fact of life. I think if you can make clear in a sense Everyone Wants to be a coach, prepare to be a coach. And 24 years of age when i left engineering, i made sure i was not going back to engineering. So i did all the coaching skills, i prepared to stay in the game. I gave myself a chance. But you know. There was another good player scoring goals and that type of thing but it wasnt a bobby and theres very view really really great players who have become great coaches. You talk to beckham of course, he went the world cup of germany a great player and won many trophies in barcelona. I cant think of the really great players maybe dont want to be a coach. Rose would it have been for you impossible to manage anywhere else . You couldnt go somewhere else no matter how much money they offered you, no matter what the opportunity. Or, you might have for the right circumstances to prove to yourself that you could do it again. Somewhere else. One or two offers came along, but i always come back to this point. Why would you leave. What is the bigger challenge. And the thing of the challenge is once you win something, you cant win enough. Manchester united is a great winner. And that was a challenge. Grating and maintaining that consistency of winning. It was a mentality that, you know, ive had. Everything, the next days a holiday for me whether were going forward. So therefore when clubs came to me and offered me jobs, i thought to myself where is the bigger challenge. Creating his Manchester United or going somewhere else and starting again and the philosophies are hard when i first came to united. Rose so you stayed at night. I stayed at united. Rose let me talk about the principles that are in this article whats called the ferguson formula. First one, start with the foundation. What does that mean. Well the foundation is starting with you believe in. I believe in the Football Club and the Football Team. I can understand coaches who concentrate on the Football Team because it gives them their job. Theres no industry. You always work it. I was last week five games into the season, they wanted to spend 19 million pounds. To me theres no evidence. So theyre building a funeral club. I wasnt interested in losing my job because of the results of the first team. I knew i had to do a job in terms of building a soccer club. We used really hard with the youth system, making sure we had a Solid Foundation that would hold its force for years and years. When you see a Manchester United team and you got to the position where i could climb ahead. So i could see three years ahead where this team is going, know that i saw players coming through the youth system would support the team. Rose and could step into the role you had defined for them. Yes. Rose the second one you say is dare to rebuild your team which is what. What you mean by that, even though they may have, a team might have another great season ahead of them, if in fact you know that to have a good team the next year and the next year you got to rebuild. Even at the sacrifice of say winning. Well, the horrible part of the job is when you have players over the years and evidence is always in the football field, you know. Rose evidence is always on the field. So when you see a player and then you see the level just start to dip theres no use in another few years. You only hurt yourself. You recognize the day has come where hes had his time, you know. And when you say that to a player and make a change is very very difficult. You can only do that if you have the system that can fill the gaps and then build, rebuild the team. Over the years probably about maybe five teams, you know will you the consistency of being there as the manager and continue the youth system. And the players that you have are not going to last, even the ones we buy are only going to last for two or three years. You want them to last six, seven, eight years. So buying a good age, maybe 23, 24 is good ages. They have 20 years left in them so you can build a continuing team. Rose the importance here is youve got to be ruled by your head and not your heart. Absolutely. Rose you have to say i see it and it better go now. Thats the hard part. Rose even though the person might have helped take you to the best moments of your life. Absolutely. Rose you rode on his shoulders. Absolutely. Thats the horrible part. You treat them like family. And because theyre your family, it becomessen becomes even more in the sense you say son im sorry. But you can create elsewhere at a different level. And thats happened a few times. Its not easy. Rose then you say you got to set high standards and hold everyone to them. Absolutely. In the session the expectation, the level of concentration. All manifests itself. Thats what we look for at united. We never, i never envisioned having to buy a session in term of their training, making sure the players were completely concentrating. Rose the training sessions had practice you knew what they were going to be doing to get ready for saturday. Absolutely. Rose the next one is never, i believe in this one two. Never ever cede control ever. No. Rose you got to be in control. The point im making is youre dealing with very young men, rich young men. The minute a player becomes more powerful than the manager, Manchester United, its not Manchester United. You control the whole club. I always made sure i was in control because then you knew who the manager was. I always knew who the manager was. Rose your word wasilla. Yes. If you want to put it as blunt as that, yet. You dont necessarily need to use, the control is just nice. They know im going to make the decisions. They know they can trust me which is really important. Trust. And i know how to adopt the change and ive seen that many times over the years. And i think these are important parts of being in control. Rose what does this mean. Match the message to the moment . The moment that we look for is theres no industry, theres a way that this game and every game is winning. We tried to mention of course this is the moment where we have to win every game. The expectation is great. My high expectation of years to win as much. Rose but to come back, to be able to say and to find within yourself. That part, that close to defeat. And someone said its a bit like hanging from a noose, nothing theres a moment where you realize that character comes through here or after the character they overcome this. There are some great moments in half time winning games. Rose i love that. Im a gambler that way because i always say in the half time be patient. The next 15 minutes throw in the kitchen sink because its worth the gamble. Youre going to win the game anyway. You have the last 15 minutes and actually win the game in the final, its a fantastic place to be. So yes. Thats wonderful. Rose prepare to win is obvious. You talked about that. Rely on the power of observation. Yes. Its an important part that people dont recognize, i actually utilize. I dont know when it first dawned me said to me why am i here. And i says what are you talking about. He says well i do nothing. You do nothing. You shouldnt be doing all the training, you should be in control of a training sessions and let me go on with it. I say now wait a minute, im not for that. He says well i think youre wrong. I had an old trainer there at the time, he was a great old man. He says boss, hes right. Its that way. I said let me think about it. So i gave it a try and it worked. Its amazing when youre actually watching and seeing the players have it. Even seeing the defects and the performance and the habits. You could see sometimes its not quite right, i wonder whats wrong with them. Its a million things. And that observation of carry through is clear and i used that really well. Rose you have to, i have a theory that you really do have to make sure that youre in the moment, you know. Because if youre only in the moment can you see with great focus. And you always have to ask yourself what is happening here. What is going on. Yes. Thats the power of observation. Rose yes. By doing that all the time, you increase your ability to see things happening. Rose and people sometimes say things thats not quite what theyre saying. You got to listen so carefully you know what theyre really saying even though theyre not using those words specifically, do you know what i mean. Yes, of course. Rose and then theres never stop adapting, you constantly have to change. Always. If you look at united, the training trials is fantastic. Theres only one thing you dont do in training is operations. You got mis, scans, cat scans, you can do dentistry, they can do all sorts of things. And then that was one of the things i really embraced i said you want to make sure of this club is when a players here he says the best facilities that were always adapting. Sports science for instance, ten years ago a doctor came to me and says you know i think we really should be thinking of sports science. I said tell me. He says there are two or three clubs that use it and we have to be ahead of the times. It always made it difficult for us by making sure he was convincing me. I do that all the time but its a game i play with them. Rose you make them convince you. Yes. And then we got this sports scientist and he then built this team, very young men, great ideas, ideas jumping over our head, great energy. And its taking united up again, you know. And i would say that to adapt, you only adapt with only 1 improvement of progress and we always work on it. And every year united adapt in Different Things all the time. Its quite amusing. Rose let me talk about some of the great players. Ryan gates you mentioned. Yes, wonderful. He was at age where i used to train him in the city. Rose you and i talked about it the other night. This happens in sports in terms of basketball coaches recruiting young kids because they go there early when theyre 13. You said to me youve got to get to their mother. I went to my assistant, ive been up every second night at the level when ryans mother says well be back on thursday. She was buying tea for us. Rose becoming the best friend. The mothers always the secret in the family without question. Its always get the mother. Rose get the mother, youll get them. Yes. Rose because the mothers have, and they want whats best. Sometimes they want the best coach because they think that that coach or that manager will bring their sons talent out. Yes. Theres always a danger with the father. He tries to live his life through. You get a little bit of that. Not all of them. Ive seen evidence of that and therefore the mothers, i want more in my boy. Rose how about gary nevil. Fantastic character. He gets up every morning at 6 00. Reads every newspaper. He wants to know whats going on in the world and more about everything, you know. Hes such an essential person. Hes really good, really good. Hes also doing his own business. I wanted to bring him on the staff. He didnt want to do that. Very very determined character. Rose and then there was a fellow named david beckham. David, yes. Amazing boy. I mean how hes created himself. Its nice transferring young people, its fantastic. Rose how did he do that . Well, it was all his smile and he always presents himself well. But as a young kid years of age has great desire with football. A fantastic trainer, practiced all the time and at nighttime he would come back with the school boys and practice with them. And he was in that collection along with schools. And then of course his life changed when he married the girl here. And his focus changed. Rose what did it become. Well he got drawned into that celebrity status, you know. For me im a football man. It wasnt my rose you had to go to david. Yes, he has to focus. Rose what did you do . Tell me what you said to him when you believe that he was becoming more interested in celebrity than football. I think ive always said. I always remember, theres nothing you can do with that, you know. And therefore it was to focus. I saw him. He did well. The thing i couldnt believe, i couldnt understand that. I never would have allowed him to do that. He was going to make sure he went to the best outside united. And but he reinvented himself. He was in milan and the european tie. Then last year he won the european cup. It was unbelievable. You cant argue with the status of life. Rose it would have been better if he stayed at Manchester United. For me . For me it wouldnt please me more to see him, you know. But how can you argue with life. For young people it represents himself the proper way. Rose was he one of those guys. You said you looked for guys that was a bad loser. Oh, david definitely. Rose he was a bad loser. Grumpy, yes. Rose those are the ones you want, though. Yes. Rose theyre driven not to be unhappy. Winnings the name of the game, dont forget that. Rose are you born with that or is that something you acquire. Is that in your dna. It must come from your family somewhere along the line. Some people look back and they win entirely in a different way. Some are more emotional and demonstrative about it. And david was very demonstrative about it. I think it must come from somewhere in the genes. Rose youve given advice to tony blair, even about some strategic and how to handle people, yes. Yes, there was sometimes 20 and number 10. I always thought tony was best at question time. I loved him at question time. He destroyed those boys. Rose you like the competition. I love to see him unite, yes. We spoke of many things. One thing i always said to him at the election time, why dont you take your therapist with you. Rose the other thing thats interesting me about you is that is that the as soon as of mission. You know how to infuse the sense of mission. And you know how so that Everybody Knows theyre playing for themselves. Theyre playing for their person to their right and their left. And theyre playing for something larger than themselves. The team ethic. Rose the team ethic. Looking at the team beside you and trust him. Thats the essence of a team where they can understand the qualities and the failures and weaknesses of the teammates. Rose and accountability too. Yes. So if you were in a game of football always think you need number eight to win the game. Three on an off day or semi off day. But always will v and the players recognize that and theyll do that extra to make sure they get winning. And the next week can be changed around of course. The essence of the team is to understand and trust each other and to trust me. Rose to trust you. Absolutely. Rose in other words, trust your plan, trust your strategy. Yes. Rose trust your team selection. Which is always difficult because we have to weed five or six players out each week. I speak to them individually as to why theyre not playing. Its not easy because they all want to play. But next week they may rose what would you say to them. Give me a speech. I say to them i could be wrong. Rose i could be wrong. Yes. I always say that i it could be wrong but i think its the right team for this game. On other occasions, maybe picking a team for two or three weeks ahead. I leave the player for that occasion and i would say get yourself ready for three weeks from now youll be playing in that game. Therefore youre giving them a boost. Rose something to look forward to. Yes. Rose not playing tonight but i will be playing three weeks from now. Yes. I was able to do it that way. And also to make changes for three or four games ahead. Rose now what about this. I think this is in 1999 when you won all three major competitions which is unheard of. And up until the last minute of the european cup final, it looked to everyone like you were not going to win, you were going to lose. And your assistant manager at the time has said that your belief, your belief never wavered. Even though it looked like you were going to lose you didnt think so. No. It was an accident. It wasnt an accident. That was the character of the team. Too many times we did it that season winning down to matches. So it wasnt an accident. But you have to say it was luck. It happens. You dont know where that happens or how it happens but it happens. We got that little break on the first goal and you could tell that we were finished for that time. Its the second goal is inevitable. Rose when the glazer family bought it in 199 5. Yes. Rose what did it change. It changed nothing, charlie. Theres a misconception about the blazers buying the club that created hostility and different factions of supporters. And because a Single Member was owning the club. You forget, the member became a plc. Someone was going to buy it. Somewhere along the line someones going to buy that club. The glazers did buy it. And my time with them theyre nothing but support. Very strong singleminded people. But always supportive of the manager and the things that happen in the club. Its very good. No hesitation in supporting and the way going about the job. Very low key. Fairly seldom never give me a phone call. Maybe once a week to go over the various things about the club but never the team. Rose didnt buy it to run it, they bought it to see what it all could be. Yes. Rose when you think about the record, the career, the wins, the losses, do you, what do you remember . Do you remember the losses or the wins . Thats a good one. I could tell you about the losses weve had. We have games that you never forget. But remember we lost a city game and i came home and i put my head under the pillow. Rose under the pillow. Oh, absolutely. I was going no where. And my wife came in and says whats wrong with you. I said we lost 51. She said know, you couldnt have lost 5 1. It was a mad one. Rose your wife is wonderful and you told me a story the other night about. Theyre putting a statue up of you and they got it under the hood and she comes to you and you said to her, who do you think should be here for the presentation. Maybe prince williams. She said prince williams, and i said no. Im standing there and he announces my wife. I couldnt believe it. Rose she never told you. She doesnt go to the games either. Rose she wouldnt go to the games. No. Rose why would she not come. Hes not comfortable. Rose so shes getting ready to jerk the cover off and she says, she does it rather gently. When the head comes rolling down. It was amazing. I think she was absolutely the correct person to do it. Rose what did she mean to you . Well, brought up the kids all the children. She brought them up. You go back to my earlier years we had houses in glascow. We were running two bars in glascow, you know. She had mean well, she got to get them dressed going to school, doing the homework with them, put them to bed. And that was fantastic, theres no question. I always remember she used to say to me when they get to 16 they will be daddys boys. I say why do you say that. You wait. Rose she was right. Shes always right. Rose it was like a conclusion. The years is always the support system. And to tell the truth, you know, when she says youre wrong. Rose she would tell you. Im good enough. Rose she would tell you. Absolutely. Rose two things that remind me of you thats interesting. What happened to you and wayne roomy. Well, i dont think anything really happened. Rose really . That i have a say b abou. He came to me, this expectation again. I manage a team who i see, you see you got to also look at the media. Whats unfortunate in this answer is someones big white hope internationally hes a big white hope. So therefore the medias always centered around him. People advise him and thats where all thats coming from. I never felt that way. Sometimes i would disappoint him but not to the extent you would think there was some sort. Rose how would you discipline them. You fine them a weeks wages. Rose know putting them in the line up. No, i wouldnt do that. Rose that would hurt you. Yes. You see in some way ive hoped to bring that right and ive done the righted thing. Make them away. Rose you werent thinking about what im doing for him, you were thinking about it just doesnt work. Its for the team. Rose for the team. Yes, absolutely. Rose but it so happened that it became good for him because he had to bring it together. Yes. When the club refuse him to say i went to chelsea, they realized his only draw is with Manchester United and brought back his focus, brought back his work ethic and his purpose and hes doing well again. Rose what do you think of speaking of chelsea. Its a change one, chelsea, the change of managers so many times. The european cup over that time but winning the cup three times, they keep changing the coach, you know. That was in terms of winning. They have been, the last few years theyve been our main competitor. So its a very competitive. Rose suppose he came to you, maybe he has. He was an agent when he first came and approached me and i said no, no chance. Rose you couldnt do that. No chance. You didnt even want to have the conversation. No. Rose you didnt want to see what they would offer. No. Rose you said no chance. I could never be that way with a team as a rival to be my home. Manchester is my team, my club. Rose somebody speculated you would be back in football in any way is simply wrong. The job come up there, 801 ferguson. Good odds . You will be throwing your money down the drain. Rose no way. No way ferguson is back in football. I made my decision charlie. The timing was perfect. I went out a winner. Theres no way back. I look forward to the challenges of a new life and doing the things ive been waiting maybe 75 years to do. I want to go to the kentucky derby, i want to go to the masters. Dont tell kathy that. There are a lot of things i want to do. I want to go to the vine yards of tuscany and france. Rose youve done that. Ive done france a couple times but i want to go to tuscany, you know. Rose so you are now having a very good time. Yes. Rose you can go to a battlefield, you can go to the masters, you can go to the kentucky derby. What else is on the list . You have a bucket list. Do you know what a bucket list is. Yes, of course, yes. From the movie, it was a great movie. Rose with de niro, no, nicholson. The masters and the cup in france. There are a lot of things. These are challenges which i see because once i made my mind to leave united i was never going to think thatqdecision. I was looking forward. Im not interested in managing. Im not interested in getting myself worked up over the results. Do a good job. Rose youre still behind him. Absolutely, 100 . And all the club will be. Thats the great thing about the club. They will support the manager and he will be fine, he will be good. Rose heres my scenario. Lets say has got a lot of money, you know that. Hes got more money than god. Thats a good one. Rose you love horses. Yes. Rose you love horses. Yes. Rose he says to you look, come manage chelsea. I will give you the greatest stable of horses you ever seen. The temptation. Everyone dreams. Rose you have to know a mans weakness do you know what i mean. You always dream to be a derby winner. I had a share in a horse that was looking at the derby this horse. Good horse. Will come back next year, a very very good horse. Everyones dreams a winner, derby winner, whatever. But you know, as i said, i made my mind up. Im looking forward to my career and my few challenges. Rose whats the knew career. Im of united, im the chairman of the managers committee. Im an ambassador for unicef which is a great work. Its a Great Association for the last ten years or so. Seen these child persecution in thailand, ive seen all that. You know the workers at unicef do, they need support, they need funding of course but you see what theyre doing and its really worthwhile stuff. I kind of enjoyed doing that with them. Its a challenge, its a different type of challenge. Rose youre a Big Labor Party man, arent you. Yes. That wont change ever, i wont change that ever. Ive been tempted to go to the national party. Rose why dont you like scottish nationalism. My friend sean connery is very for it. Yes, seans for it. Rose whats wrong with you. Hes from edinburg. No, i grew up with socialist background, my father and mother were socialist. Rose so there you are. Why change. Its never helped me not change through my wife. And i think that united is okay. Rose but with theyre ahead in terms of the polls against the torries. Maybe if he wins he might have a job for you, another job. Thats one thing getting into politics. Thats a different life for me thats not my scene. Rose let me close with you. Youve written your own biography, you did that about ten years ago. You got this case study at harvard in which you talk about leadership. Whats the best moment ever for you in football . The best moment has to be barcelona of course. That was the trophy i never won. This is always, winning that one in the way we did it, you can never forget it. But i think with my wife is to have 27 years in man chest man chester and the continuity i created there and going to the top, i cant answer that more. Thats for me, you know, an achievement i ever wanted to achieve. And im a happy man. Rose thank you for coming. Thanks charlie, it was great. Rose sir Alex Ferguson. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications captioned by Media Access Group at wgbh access. Wgbh. Org 10 01 13 10 01 13 [captioning made possible by democracy now ] from new orleans public television, this is democracy now a shutdown will have a very real Economic Impact on real people. Government shutdown. It is the first in 17 years. Eight hundred thousand federal workers will be furloughed, more than one million of us will be asked to work without pay. We will go to washington to speak with reporter tim murphy. As