By contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Please welcome Gaye Mcdougal to the program. She sits on the United Nation says committee on Racial Discrimination and Teaching International human rights law at oxford, we are honored to have you on this program. Thank you. I wanted to talk to you, president trump, when he ran. Seemed to demonize daily the u. N. Since elected, he has changed his tune a bit. And of course, the ambassador to the u. N. This is the first time i have had a chance to talk with someone knowledgeable. I think that, the degree to which this administration is going to respect the human right obligations that previous governments respected. So, that has caused the u. N. , and human rights advo kalted, and advocates within the u. N. , to issue a number of letters of concern, and to the administration, along with the u. N. High commission of human rights. About his intentions, and actions he has been taken that, you know, concerning and threatening. Causing people around the world to begin to question the leadership that u. S. Has had on some of the human rights issues. I want to walk through the issues case by case fimay. Ask another broad question, in our conversation, how he, mr. Trump, and his administration are regarded inside the u. N. I am trying to get a sense. When the leader of the united states, lambastes an entity, it cant be met with love and kindness inside the believe. Of course not, i dont speak for the u. N. I am on a un community on human rights, my sense is that, there are people are nervous about the degree to which his rhetoric will be followed by actions. I think in a lot of sectors, in terms of what he says, and what he does, it is different. He is learning on the job. I think. And you know, he is learning that putting America First you know, doesnt require him to turn his back on the world. Nor, is he able to turn his back on the world. Now, is he going to then see that there are a lot of network of rules and obligations at the international level, that government has pledged to observe. I think he will have to respect to some extent, some of those obligations, and people within the u. N. , i think, feel that ultimately, you know, he is going to do what is right. Is it your sense that inside the u. N. For that matter, around the world, leaders are starting to make the distinction, that you are better off to see what he does, rather than listen to what he says or tweets. It is opage for us in the u. S. , i think there is a record that is building up. That leading people to understand that there is going to be a bit of room between what he says at 4 00 in the morning in tweets, what he really winds up doing in terms of policy. And action. On the other hand, there are people around the world who are being emboldened by the kind of rhett rick that he has been in the community. He is speaking directly as he spoke to people within the u. S. , who are moving to the right. And those who are in need of simple answers. He is speaking to similar ears in other countries around the world. Europe, people in austria, we just had a very tight thing in france. Italy. Et cetera. There are people in other countries who are waiting for that kind of leadership. They, you know, there is going to be an alliance in their view around the world. Speaking of this alliance, is it your sense, given to the people that you talk to, and work with in the international community, even though lepen lost in franz there, are those emboldened, with that kind of point of view, trump, lepen. Is there concern about those persons running for office . Absolutely. In the field they work in. We are actually trying to stamp out Racial Discrimination around the world. It is on a steep incline. Hate speech is no longer ta boo around the world. Now, you see people are able to get elected to powerful offices using that kind of rhetoric. About change, about what is happening in the world. With the flow of migrants into the north. T the tanking in urine. Our time is just about up. Who is working witness is about the elimination of racism. Do you think it is possible in the world that we live, that racism could issue truly be eliminated . Let me put it this way, the fight against racism is constant. As with many other rights. I think that the circumstances in which people feel hatred toward somebody else can be substantially decreased. By policy decisions. You know, these are decisions, it is not just a question of you know, how we are as humans. People are sort of driven to fear others, to believe that their own personal circumstances are being threatened some how. They look for scapegoats. It is always i think that there are decision that is can be made at the leadership level that you know, will substantially reduce how we are experiencing racial divides in our comment. I am glad you are there, and have been there making these suggestions, years on end. Thank you for coming on the program. Up next, Kareem Abduljabbar. Stay with us. Pleased to welcome Kareem Abduljabbar back to the program. Since retiring from basketball, he is pretty much anything he wants to do. Author, and he has written about coach wooten and me, our 50year friendship on and off the court. I am honored to have you back on the program. Good to be here. I was honored to you came by this show once or twice. As you know, i am from indiana, your coach, from indiana, i marvelled out how a guy from martinsville, the home of the klan, being surrounded by so much hate. How did he manage to do that the home of the klan in indiana . He identified what his dad found out about life. His dad turned his back on that hatred and advise d his kids to do the same. Coach wooten listened to his dad. What you thought of him. When lewis came to los angeles, thought what he thought of coach wooten, one of the corniest people i have ever met. He reminded me of the farmer in the pep ridge farm commercial. That is nice, i am from the farm. Do you think he was xhepding you . I am taking it that way. I am sure. It doesnt bother me. What did you really think of john wooten. Here you are a 72 sevsevenfoot guy. We immediately had a great conversation. I am there to be recruited for basketball, and the first conversation we had was about academics. It threw me off. I liked where he was coming from immediately. We were right away. I dont know how you cannot know this now, he mentioned lewis, he was talking about kareem, for the former luol sender. Before you were coached by wooten at ucla, you were coached by a man named donahue. I was blown away, when i read the story of what that coach said to you, what he did to you in a particular game. How that skewed your view of white male cultures from that time forward. Tell us in detail what happened. How you responded . We had an important game coming up. I was tmore to cusod that than anything else. We were playing a team we should have handled easily. It wasnt happening, i wasnt playing well. Coach donahue said, what are you doing . You are acting just like the nword. Halftime. He wanted to shock me. He was angry, because i was being immature, and cocky. He was angry, and he went too far. He made a mistake. This happens to people. It happened to me a few times. You know, for the longest time, it was an issue. Coach wooten finally got to the point where he said to me, look, have you ever made mistakes . I had to think about it. I understood it. At that same time, coach donahue called coach wootens apartment, and he put me on the phone with him. We cleared everything up in one visit. That was good. Within, i think two years of that coach donahue pass eed awa. I glad we straightened it out before he passed on. You are sevenfoottwo, but as a kid who looks up to you, for a coach to call you the nword, never mind he was triting to motivate you. It is inexcusable, how did you process that . I couldnt process it. This is also a person that told me that racism was stupid and something that could not hold water. Why is he using that word . He over reacted to my immaturity. He messed up. We have to forgive those things, nobody is perfect. At the time, you didnt know coach wooten, how did you not hold it against him. How did it not skew your view of white male culture, one called you the nword. I didnt think everybody was like that my High School Coach never, ever crossed that line again. It was too late to heal that part of our relationship. We haveneventually healed it. The first day you practiced with coach wooten, you come across the country to be at a great team, to play for a great coach. He wants to talk about putting on your socks and tying your shoes. Well, coach wooten said, if you want to play, you have to come to practice every day. If you are not on time, dont come. I wont let you in. If you cant practice, dont come. It is not use. Now, you wont be able to practice if you have a lump in your socks, and tie your shoes over that lump, that lump will cause a blister. If you have a blister, you wont be able to practice. If you wont be able to practice, you wont be able to play for me. Take care of these things, day one. All the fendamentials. He took off his socks and shies. He made you all take off your shoes and socks. He didnt have the nicest feet. He is telling college players, i will show you how to put your socks on right, and tie your shoes right. All the years later, did you put your socks and shoes on the same way. I never had problem with that up to that point, i never had problem with that up to that point, i listened. It is impossible to talk to any person who has played for john wooten and not get those wisdoms, the woodenisms, what you want to call them. What was it about his particular wisdom, as you detailed. You took to those players, you will hear the wooten stuff come out. He was giving us life lessons, not in a super official way. He wanted good things, anything worth doing, it will take time, patience and discipline. He did not let us skip those messages. Did you look at him with a side eye. Did you think he was corny . I didnt think he 6s corner. He had put it to good use. When i got there, he went two ncaa championships, he knew what he was doing. It was easy to listen to him. Another clip. His visit to the program. Where he, i asked him specifically about this phrase, the wizard of westwood. What he thought of being called the wizard of westwood. I thank the fellows who wrote the book, wizard of west wood, i didnt like it then, it canotes wizardry, perhaps we did well because of being a wizard. Something, the youngsters, people under your supervision, you like to feel you helped. They are the ones who really do it. Saying that kareem and the other guys won for me. He didnt like the term wizard of westwood. He was a religious man. He didnt want to think of using extraordinary means, doing what you should through grit and hard work. No wizardry of that. Fundamental principles and moral fiber. That is a wonderful term, you more you have, the better off you are. I wonder, if ever there were a time where you permanently, any of your fellow players, wrestled with his spirituality. Religious man. Sometimes, people can be put off as prophetizing, as people who believed as strong as he he did. He let us know that his space was something that directed him to act the way he acted. He allowed us to choose what we wanted to choose, in terms of structure, as individuals. We, it was up to us to prove the worth of whoever that was. When you chose to change your name, born of your faith, did you have conversations with him about that . I did. He wanted to know what it was about. He didnt try to sway me one way or another. He wanted to know what motivated me. He could tell, i researched it. I had hey conviction i wanted tow be muslim. He was satisfied with that. Has anyone who had a chance to introduce you sh, get a sense what have he wanted his legacy to be. Here is what he had to say. A person that was consid rate of others, your faith, your family and friends. You have that you have everything. Does that sum him up . He left a legacy of a lot of guys learn how to live their lives better because of his coaching and mentorship. What do you think his culture is . Unapproachable. Win 10 tournaments in 12 years, you will have to come to the grave yard to wake me up for that one. You have written a book about this, if i were to ask you what his influence was on your life, how do you define that . He made it easy for me to see that it is worthwhile having good relationships with the people that you care about, and the things you can put together with them are worthwhile. Do you find yourself quoting him a lot . I repeat his message, it is eternal. He passed away. 2010. Two months from his 100th birthday. What took you so long, it is your right to write, why seven years . I had to think about what coach wooten. Some of it was personal and private. I figured itut on. This is what i came up with. I know that that is what i want to convey. A wonderful tribute to a wonderful man. Your friendship lasted 50 years, we are approaching the 40th anniversary, put that photo up. I want to ask the captain, 40 years later, tell me r what do you recall about this . My first trip to hong kong. With bruce lee, he said, we are going to make a movie, you can be the villain. I said sure, i was the villain. It ended up being the last movie that he made. Great photos. It was great working with bruce. He was a great guy. Fun having you on. Good to see you. Sglo my pleasure. That is our show tonight. Thanks for watching, as always, that is our show tonight. Thanks for watching, as always, keep the faith. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com today, on americas test kitchen, bridget and julia make authentic tuscanstyle roast pork, adam shows julia his favorite wine accessories, and becky shows bridget the secrets to the best farro salad with asparagus, sugar snap peas, and tomatoes. Its all coming up on americas test kitchen. Americas test kitchen is brought to you by the following Fisher Paykel. Since 1934, Fisher Paykel has been designing
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