Secretary clinton i invite a lot of republicans and independents who i have been seeing on the campaign trail who to me, i reaching out invite them to join with democrats. Challenger isnt giving up. Senator sanders i think that narrow, ipath is think we can pull off one of the great political upsets in the the united states. John the most pivotal week in the president ial race so far. Covering every step, molly ball, National Political correspondent atlantic, robert costa, National Political reporter for the washington post, michael scherer, Washington Bureau chief for magazine, and margaret politics. Loomberg awardwinning reporting and analysis, covering history as it happens. Live from our nations capitol, week withshington gwen ifill. Funding for Washington Week is provided by people came out today to run the race for retirement, so we asked them, are you completely prepared for retirement . Prepared . Your you save 1 more of income . It doesnt sound like much, but saving an additional 1 now difference over time. Im going to be even better about saving. Can you do it. Helps in the long run. Prudential. Additional Corporate Funding for Washington Week is provided by boeing. Genentech. Providedl funding is by newmans own foundation, froming all profits newmans own Food Products to charity, and nourishing the common good. Ford foundation. The ethics and excellence in journalism foundation. The corporation for public broadcasting, and by contributions to your pbs viewers like you. Thank you. Live from, washington, sitting in for gwen harwood ofweek, john cnbc. John good evening. Week it all became real. Not on the democratic side, rnie sanders beat Hillary Clinton in indiana. Shes still the favorite to clinch the democratic nomination, but donald trump, by crushing ted cruz and john kasich in the Hoosier State and race,g both out of the has become the presumptive nominee,n unapologetically. Mr. Trump i am who i am. To change. E there was talk about will he be president ial. We had 17 people, all smart. One by one, week after week, boom, boom, boom, gone, gone, gone. Want to change so much and i do want to use that same strategy for trade deals. I feel im a president ial person. John now the republican establishment has to decide whether to join their voters and rally around him. Some of them, even if theyve for weeks they planned to, werent sure once trump actually emerged as the winner. I think what is required is that we unify this party and i the burden on of unifying the party will have to presumptiver nominee. This is the party of lincoln and reagan and jack kemp. Dont always nominate a lincoln and reagan every four nominee toe hope our be lincoln and reaganesque, that the person advances principles of our party and appeals to a wide vast majority americans. John trump responded by saying hes not ready to endorse ryans agenda. Start with you, bob. After all the doubts and never efforts, how did donald trump finish off the job of the last of the 16 opponents . Is trying to redefine the Republican Party and hes populace in a more direction, trying to engage working class voters who havent traditionally been in the g. O. P. Fold. Lurchs the party into that direction, you see a divide between traditional republicans conservative ideologues who loved reagan for his philosophy, politics. John what happened to the idea that once ted cruz got into a trump, he with donald was going to make the conservative argument that donald trump wasnt a conservative. He guild to would go to california but decided to out. Why . Bob its a terrifying moment not only for establishment conservativeut for movement leaders, the kind of people who thought ted cruz would have a shot against trump at then you look republican electorate, there is and not for an outsider tethered to an issue or conservatism itself. Its the brashness of trump, someone totally detached from political culture, thats whats connected. Also the issues. The Republican Party has focused on trade deals in the past, free and economic growth. The base, the party, doesnt seem to be as interested as washington. John thats what the base of the party wants but the establishment of the Party Immediately fragmented. Wasnt just paul ryan. Romney said he wasnt going to convention, john mccain wasnt going to the convention. George w. Bush and george h. W. Bush said they would not endorse race and jebn the bush said he wouldnt endorse trump and today Lindsey Graham came out with a statement. To donald trump, congratulations. You did a hell of a thing. Beat me and everybody else and i just really believe that beenepublican party has kind here and this guy is not a reliable conservative republican. Good luck with paul ryan trying to find a conservative agenda with this guy and i dont think to temperament or judgment to be commander commanderinchief. John molly, is this what you were talking about when you said the Republican Party died . The sentiment of a lot of republicans i talked to, a lot of republicans who deep angst about trumps nomination. There is a sense you saw the,licans all over important republicans, bigname republicans, whether on twitter or in statements like that, changing their voter registration, feeling like their sorts work, toiling in the of minds of building the party of ideas, that all that went out and as bob was saying, the things that trump antithetical to the things that someone like paul ryan stands for. Pushing,a that he is to the extent that his agenda is consistent and well defined, is absolutely antagonistic. I just want to make one more point about what bob was saying how trump got here. I think the strategic genius of trump was to go after the strongest candidates first. He went after the 100 million man, jeb bush. He went after he didnt have to go after him but scott walker, a lot of peoples favorites for the way he could unite different strands of the party. By the time it came down to the end, trump was pitted against narrow fractional appeal within the party, kasich and cruzl republicans to the activist base so even on neonone, north of neither of them could beat trump and trump gets a majority in part because there was crisis fatigue on the part of republican voters, crisis after crisis, super tuesday after super tuesday, now theyre contested a convention. John michael, given the fact that donald trump won handily and by appealing to a lot of voters whoy squeezed are dissatisfied with the obama years, looking for something republicanrom the party, why dont more republican politicians look at him as the party, giving it a different look, changing the ideology a little bit . Why isnt that embraced . Michael i think much of the last two decades, definitely reagan, a lot of republicans have retrenched into ideology and thats just how coded but try to theres the issue but you heard with Lindsey Graham, he said i dont think hes right on the issues but i dont think he has the temperament and i think there is fear among the political class, the elected class, that the way is scary. Ves whats interesting about watching trump now and again in we showed before when hes talking about being president ial, its very clear that trump has taken from the lesson that the outrageousness, the danger, then, the excitement of his rallies, sometimes encouraging people to people at his rallies, the controversial statements hes made about immigrants and muslims and all that. Lesson he has taken is that it made him a winner and whats interesting now and i think this is another reason that a lot of republicans are concerned, is he believes that same formula being who trump is will work in a general a guy whond this is said over and over again that he won hispanics in nevada, right . Hes talking about he won republican hispanics in nevada. Not a large number of people. Popular with hispanics and to this day hell deny that. Like say hispanics dont you and hell say thats not true, hes winning hispanics everywhere. Of republicans who are looking at the general election polls slightly he doesntecause seem to register that now were where heom a primary did very well to a different population and hes going to have to win over different the same methods may not work. John when you talk about style and how he comes across as as the ideology, president obama spoke to this News Conference when he was asked about trump emerging as the nominee. President obama i want to emphasize the degree to which we are in serious times and this is a really serious job. This is not entertainment. This is not a reality show. This is a contest for the the united states. John margaret, would you say that the important thing is being serious enough to handle, say, the National Security responsibilities for of the white house, or is it the way women, hispanics, other groups have been College Educated voters have talks . Rned off by how he margaret lets unpack president obamas Statement Today which about theed to be economy but he was more than eager to take the donald trump question. Number one, scold to the press corps for creating the beast. Thats what he was doing. Two john do you plead guilty . Margaret i have been covering the democratic contest so i plead irrelevant. But number two, sure, president obama is concerned about the social issues, both trumps positions on him or at least his statements on them whatever the may actually be, but number three, i think as president president obama is theerned about some of international implications, some of the stock market of generals, sort world order implications of muchd trump, if he is as of a wildcard in the general election or potentially in thece as he has been in republican primary and president obama says its not about entertainment, but of course it been about entertainment so far. Part of the reason that people are so captivated by everything trump does and says is because hes very compelling to listen to. Away. Nt look you never know what hes going to say. I spoke to trump this week in news brought advisers, Paul Manafort and other veteran republican he has his and Campaign Manager on but when i spoke to trump about 45 minutes, said, where are you going to pivot or transition in terms of style andrament and he said, i have been winning, im going to continue to do what do and he think by having an aggressive barrage against secretary clinton, he can rouse conservatives who may hiscept skeptical of ideology and be disruptive to the point where he can succeed in the general. Thing thats interesting, when he gets the party unity question, he says unify the party because he expects most of them to fall in line. Thing he says is if they dont want to get behind me, thats fine, because i have people and he really believes that he can many new voters, so many independents and democrats, doesnt tent that it matter how many republicans he loses. Whether hes in right or wrong about that apply not just to him but also members of the house and senate. Republicans are trying to keep their majorities in the house senate. He spoke to that today when ryan holdingaul back. Were prepared to keep the and winkeep the house the white house. You look at Hillary Clinton, look, i would rather take a few thrown than the director of the f. B. I. Andrviewing your top aides potentially the democrat nominee. John how much danger for the majority in the senate and in the house, which weve come to think of as secure the republicans over the last a couple of years . Is far the danger greater in the senate than the house. In the house, democrats would have to basically turn about 30 there are just not 30 competitive seats right now. It could happen that we get to the guess is now that it would be more in the neighborhood of 15. In the senate, democrats have to four or five seats depending on whos the president and there seatsenty of competitive and to the point of whether he can bring in new voices, the inate candidates running difficult states right now New Hampshire and pennsylvania, for instance dont believe people. Ng to bring in in newote was asked hampshire when she thinks about spokesperson said she will support the nominee but doesnt endorse trump. John a common distinction in politics. Kissel like trying to your date without touching her. Its a difficult thing to do. Pennsylvania was asked, are you going to support trump, and his answer was also awkward. Y it was hes not my first, my second, my third or my fourth choice, i have a lot of problems with trump but im never hillary. Its about as far away from support as you can get. These are people spending a lot money on polling in their states and they know where their states are and they dont believe trumps model, the idea that he can bring in new people. Maybe trump proves them wrong. They alsoblem is cant afford to repudiate him because they are scared to death of their constituents. Death of theed to trump voters and scared to death of the Republican Base and they know if they start running fullon against trump, theyre going to get a raft of stuff theyvese people and seen their colleagues, ali ali years,nts over the knocked off in primaries. Even in the general election thoseant afford to lose people. Margaret Hillary Clinton cant laurels, rest on her either. If the election were held tomorrow, Hillary Clinton would probably be the president. Election is in november and like donald trump proved by if itsjust did, even not completely transferable, hes a very good strategist, his feet. People change their minds about things and leave it to the vice biden, saying today it would be a mistake to trump. Timate donald john rick perry last year gave a speech in which he said donald onmp was a cancer conservatism and now hes come out and endorsed him and said he was open to being vice president. For someonehinking like perry . Sharpolly brought up a point. A lot of Party Officials and governors are watching the Republican Base and saying there something happening here. We may not understand it but we dont want to get so far away it that we lose the potency that could change the republican parts for the worse but maybe for the better. Think one of the most interesting parts of the dance paul ryan is doing right now is trying to preserve the Republican Party if trump loses loses and ryan does this dance, chapercentage his membersage of will be trump republicans versus traditional ideological tea party weve had. Trump, win or lose, could dramatically change the Party Going Forward because these are republicans that have been elected in the past on ideological grounds but will be reelected in districts where trump has enormous chairs. Trump is blown out, people will want to distance themselves. And despite his win in indiana, delegatesders is 300 behind Hillary Clinton. Shes still less an 200 clinching thet of nomination. Sanders continues to campaign in primaryl month of the season and Party Leaders arent calling for him to get out. Is shifting focus to november and counting on eventually getting help from sanders and his supporters. Secretary clinton i know what he said last week which i really welcomed. He said he will do everything he can to prevent donald trump from being president of the united states, he will work seven days a week. Going to really count on that because i want to unify the party. Im certainly going to be to his supporters who have far more in common with theyd my supporters than do with donald trump and his campaign. Itn so, margaret, does matter to Hillary Clinton that Bernie Sanders has decided to keep going . Margaret sure. From herbe great perspective if he did not but, look, at this point, you know, ago, she was to keep going. Which shee concern underplays in public remarks is when its actually over, will he and bring those people with him or keep talking the way hes talking. She said in public and her advisers have said she believes when its all said and done, hell do what hes supposed to she does. T but shes an establishment democrat and the whole point is that hes not. He wasnt even a democrat until this race. Shoenk thats sort of a left hanging and if donald trump remains as polarizing as he is problem. Ill not be a if donald trump closes in, if she faces more problems because the f. B. I. Investigation, if sanders supporters gravitate thirdparty, green byty candidate and protest not voting, it could be a problem. Historically its a difficult she does not if get a big turnout not just from minority voters but from Bernie Sanders supporters, millions of them, it could be a problem. John does anybody at this table doubt that with donald trump on the other side that behind is going to unite clinton . I dont. Do you . Were watching an interesting dynamic unfold and when i spoke to trump, first thing he said was, boy oh, boy, who would have thought i would be done before theres a sense in the Trump Campaign that because nonintervention, instincts on foreign policy, populism on trade, position on immigration, he could win over some sanders voters and were watching if trump wasnt this movement on the right, wed be astounded as the Sanders Movement and i think in a bigger way. John do you think sanders will not do what he needs to do and do to pull his people behind Hillary Clinton . Hes not a partisan figure. Is a man whos an independent, socialist senator years and imber for think he would like to beat donald trump and thats the hes making a but statement about progressive politics in this decade and keeps what he wants to doing, not so much a rush to get line. Rty in john molly, do you think Bernie Sanders is hurting Hillary Clinton or just distracting her the fall . Molly i think it matters a lot what sanders says at this point in the race. I think hillary is happy to let him continue to the bitter end as a cause, right . But if he is actively turning his supporters against her, if embittering them, if he is keeping up this harsh rhetoric about Goldman Sachs and Campaign Finance and her not being qualified, thats when people neverto decide, i can vote for her no matter what he says and if he does come around to goad him trying into this idea of a thirdparty run for obvious reasons and hes repeatedly and Bernie Sanders has always said he would never run as an independent candidate but it how full throated his endorsement of her ends up being. Performings clinton right now . How is he handling the juggling act between trump and sanders . Michael i think for clinton, shes doing well. You grade on a curve for hillary because shes not a great candidate but she is very comfortable and you can see it she speaks about it that she thinks shes won the roulette game. John she looked relaxed this week in interviews. Michael i think shell be happy going against trump. Her team will be happy going against trump. That doesnt mean they think it easy. E they will have to fight for it but if you were to ask them a whos your dream candidate at this point, they would have said trump. John margaret, how do you evaluate Hillary Clinton, the candidate . Thearet Hillary Clinton, candidate, is feeling pretty good but i think there is fear of the unknown with trump that there wouldnt have been with ted cruz. With ted cruz, you knew the who you were working with. Giuliani said ted cruz was a fastball down the middle for democrats. Margaret with ted cruz, you same concerns about losing all the way down the ticket. With donald trump, its sort of go big or go home. He either wins and its a for Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party or he loses and loses big and everyone in loses behind him and its hard to imagine any middle scenario. If Hillary Clinton is primarily with the Democratic Party, she wants the risk. If Hillary Clinton is primarily concerned with herself, she the safer run and im not sure she got it. John thats going to wrap it up for tonight. The conversation continues on the Washington Week webcast whoa where well discuss might be in the running for vice president. Thats later tonight and all weekend long at pbs. Org washingtonweek. Be sure to keep up with news thelopments each night on pbs newshour and well see you around the table next week on Washington Week. Im john harwood and to my mom, and all you moms out there, happy mothers day. Good night. Corporate funding for provided byweek is were committed to strong. Were committed to sure. Smart anditted to light, secure and bold. Enduring needs, the men and women of boeing are deliver build and critical capabilities for those who serve to protect our nation and its allies and thats an enduring commitment. Thousands of people came out run the race for retirement so we asked them, are you completely prepared for retirement . 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