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Woodruff it is the final weekend before the allimportant New York Primary, and the president ial candidates, democrats and republicans alike, were on the go today. Most traveled to towns and cities across the empire state. One traveled half a world away. John yang has the story. Bernie Bernie Bernie reporter they cheered Bernie Sanders in rome but it was italy, not new york. His visit to the vatican came just hours after the most combative democratic debate yet, back in brooklyn. I am sure a lot of people are very surprised to learn that you supported raising the minimum wage to 15 bucks an hour. You know, wait a minute. Wait a minute. inaudible wait, wait. Thats just not accurate. Well. Come on, i have stood on the debate stage. Well and i. With senator sanders eight times. Excuse me. I have said the. Well. Exact same thing. Secretary, senator, please. If we can. Raise it to 15 in new york. Or los angeles or seattle. Sec i have said the. Well. Exact same thing. Secretary, senator, please. If we can. Raise it to 15 in new york. Or los angeles or seattle. Secretary, the viewers. Lets do it. If youre both screamg at each other, the viewers wont be able to hear either of you. Reporter the animosity between sanders and Hillary Clinton was clear, as theyree. Clashed on the minimum wage and her relationship with wall street. La i stood up against the behaviors of the banks when i was a senator. I called them out on their mortgage behavior. Ca secretary clinton called them out. Oh my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this. cheers and applause and was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements . Reporter clinton called that a phony attack and slammed sanders again for voting to shield gunmakers from some lawsuits. We hear a lot from senator sanders about the greed and recklessness of wall street, and i agree. Weve got to hold wall street accountable. T. Thank you. Well, what about the greed and recklessness of gun manufacturers and dealers inof america . Reporter today, though, the two candidates were 4,000 miles apart clinton visiting a Senior Center in harlem. You got my vote. Reporter . And sanders, at a vatican conference, assailing what he called an economy operated for the top 1 . Pope francis has called on the world to say no to a Financial System that rules rather than serves. Reporter senator sanders did but said his campaign detour was well worth it. The highprofile vatican visitt came just four days before the crucial New York Primary ay highstakes race for both parties. Today, all three republican hopefuls fanned out across the empire state. In plattsburgh, frontrunner donald trump kept hammering away, hoping to hold what polls show as a doubledigit lead. In binghamton, ted cruz knocked trumps complaining about the delegate selection process. It is not surprising when a candidate loses 11 elections in a row, hes unhappy about it. And so he complains and thats fine. La look, were focused on winning elections with the people. Reporter john kasich also campaigned in new york today, with events in watertown and utica. For the pbs newshour, im john yang. Woodruff Bernie Sanders also said at last nights debate thaa hes releasing his 2014 tax returns. Hillary clinton says shessh released 30 years of returns, but she declined to issue transcripts of her paid speeches to banks unless other candidates do likewise. In the days other news, president and mrs. Obama released their federal tax return for this past year. They paid 81,000 in taxes on income of 436,000. The couple donated 15 of what they made to charity. Lawmakers in brazil began debate today on whether to impeach president dilma rousseff. Shes accused of corruption, in a Political Drama thats all but paralyzed the country. Impeachment proponents argued today that rousseffs political maneuvering has led to brazils high inflation and currency devaluations. translated which is the most serious crime . A crime where a president puts in her pocket a sum of money . On or that president which, due to the hunger for power, in search of maintaining power, sees no limits in destroying the brazilian economy . Woodruff the impeachment charges allege that rousseff doctored her governments Financial Accounting to winin public support. But defenders, including former president lula da silva, insisted she has done nothing wrong. translated i am convinced that the coup of the impeachment will not be approved. To topple a government that was democratically elected without any proof of any fiscal crime ie not going to fix anything. All it will do is make theit crises even worse. Nobody will be able to govern a country with 200 million people, without being legitimized by thg popular vote. Woodruff the house vote there is slated for sunday. D if it passes, the Brazilian Senate would decide whether to hold a trial of rousseff. North korea tried today to launch a midrange missile one with a capacity able topa reach u. S. Bases in japan and guam but it blew up. The pentagon called it a c catastrophic failure. The missile test came as the north celebrated the birthday oa the late kim ilsung, founder of the communist state. His grandson, kim jongun, is the current leader of northor korea. A powerful new earthquake has hit southern japan, on the heels of one that killed nine peoplene thursday night. There were no immediate reports of casualties this time. Nhk television showed the moment the shaking began, early saturday morning, and triggered a tsunami advisory. The alert was later lifted, but the quake did leave collapsed buildings and cracked roads. 150 countries geared up today for a final push to eliminate polio around the world. The effort begins sunday, and the World Health Organization says it is possible to stop all transmission of the crippling disease within a year. To do that, the campaign will target the last few areas of risk. The virus travels without any barrier, so if we do not eradicate the virus, if we dont get rid of it, we will quite rapidly go back to the situation we had before we started the eradication program, and we could have hundreds of thousands of cases of the disease around the world. Woodruff there have been only 12 cases of polio reported worldwide this year in afghanistan and pakistan. Islamist militants there haveer attacked immunization teams, accusing them of being western spies. Back in this country, the governor of mississippi signed a law, permitting guns in churches. A holstered gun sat on top of a bible, as Governor Phil Bryant held the signing ceremony. Designated Church Members may be trained to provide Armed Security for theirty congregations. President obama announced today that he will support giving cable tv customers more choices on cable boxes. As it is, most people lease the boxes from a cable company. The federal Communications Commission wants to let them bum elsewhere and possibly, get a better price. The president today also ordered up a report on increasing competition in the industry. On wall street today, the Dow Jones Industrial average lost about 29 points to close at 17,897. The nasdaq fell seven, and the s p 500 slid two. For the week, all three indexes added nearly 2 . And, it is mustsee tv in norway for those seeking relief from fastpaced daily life. On may 20, public broadcaster nrk will televise the worlds strongest tidal current for 12 hours live and uninterrupted. It is a strait just north of the arctic circle, where sea water flows at 25 miles an hour. Previous shows included footage of a train ride, a canal cruise and a knitting tutorial and all were viewer hits. Maybe we should try that here. Still to come on the newshour st microsofts president explains why his company is suing the department of justice; o g. O. P. Chair Reince Priebus on the rules for selecting a president ial nominee; mark shields and david brooks take on the weeks news; a preview of the popes visit to preview of the popes visit to a refuge camp in lesbos can he make a real difference . And, how violinist Rachel Barton pine became an evangelist fort Classical Music. Woodruff now, a highprofile showdown between a tech giant and the government over use and access of private data. This time, its microsoft. Cr yesterday, the company filedd suit against the department of justice in federal court. Microsoft argues its unconstitutional for the government to ask for customers personal data or emails in most cases, without the individuals knowledge. The company says its received more than 5,600 requests for such data from the government in the last yearandahalf, often from the cloud or remote servers. And nearly half of those requests come with a ban from the government on alertingnt customers. Brad smith is the president of microsoft. He joins me from its headquarters in redmond, washington. Welcome to the program, brad smith. I do want to point out we invited the department of justice to joind the intervw but they declined. Ne let me begin by asking you what is the federal government doing that microsoft doesnt like . What gives us concern is the fact weve received almost 5,600 gag or secrecy orders over the last 18 months. Over twothirds of them have no end date at all. So it means that we are permanently prohibited from telling customers that the government has accessed, read and obtained copies of their emails. We feel that infringes on the Constitutional Rights of consumers and businesses to be secure from unreasonable government searches. It infringes on our First Amendment right to speak, to share information with our customers. Woodruff we know the Justice Department has not responded to the lawsuit, have not said anything publicly, but in the past theyve said these are investigations that involve criminals, people who are breaking the law, that are perhaps involved in potential terrorist acts. Why not work with the governmenn when theyre trying to go after the bad guys . This is an issue that weve discussed with various officials in government for some time and we readily recognize that there are many cases where there should be some kind of secrecy, that there is a real danger if information is disclosed, but we feel that these kinds of secrecy orders have become too routine. Theyre being issued in cases that involve businesses as well as consumers, and it especially concerns us that there is no end date. Lets face it forever is a long time, even military secrets are declassified eventually. Why should we have a country where people will never learn that the government has accessed their emails . Well, i was reading today that some investigators whove worked on, i guess in this area, have said that if you notified people who are being investigated, you run the risk that they are going to change their communication pattern, theyre going to tamper with evidence, they may even try to leave the country. What about that . Well, that really goes to the point that, yes, there are times when a nondisclosure order is a sensible thing to do, but the law in this case doesnt, in our view, require the government to make the kind of compelling showing that it should and, hence, the government is getting these kinds of orders in too many cases, and even in cases where this kind of secrecy is needed, eventually the need for secrecy goes away and yet, even then, people will never learn that the government accessed their email and that, as much as anything, really once, we think, right into the constitutional protections we all should enjoy. Woodruff brad smith, what do you say to those who look at this and say well, this is just an effort to do whats good for business rather than whats good for the american people, for the American Government . Well, i think this is fundamentally about what is good for people and their right, it is good for technology, it is good for businesses who are customers as well, whose emails are being read, but most importantly, i think its about one thing, about ensuring the kinds of values that weve had in this country under the constitution for 230 years remain intact even as Technology Changes and information weve long stored on paper is nownr stored in the cloud, instead. St woodruff did you thinki about another course of action other than filing suit . I did you try to sit down with the government and talk to them about what theyre doing . Weve had multiple conversations about these and similar issues, and this lawsuit does not for an instant mean those kinds of conversations should come to an end. I definitely believe that ultimately across the technology sphere, its going to take a lot of good discussion to find new solutions. But weve found in recent cases that things were going the wrong way, not the right way, and there does come a point where you just have to put a stake in the ground and say that these Constitutional Rights matter, and we need the courts to intervene. Is there a middle ground, though . Is there something, some level of information the government could share with you that would make you comfortable turning this individuals emails over to them without notifying the individual . I think we always have to ask ourselves at the end of the day, is there some kind of middle ground that might emerge . And i think the answer is probably yes. If we look at other statutes and other areas of federal law,w there is typically a right for the government in the right circumstances to keep something secret for 30 days or 90 days, and if the need continues, the government can go back and has to make its case before a magistrate yet again. I think that if we could move this area of the law to be more like that kind of area, wed find a middle ground emerge. Woodruff and, finally, there are some looking at this saying, is this some kind of turning point in this larger Tech Industry battle with the government on the part of the Tech Industry over privacy, over the citizens privacy . Ri well, i think were living in a time when it feels like there is a turning point every other month. When i step back from it all, i think what were seeing is this evolution of technology, people storing things digitally, storing them in data centers, and across the board, whether in government or youre in the tech sector, were all trying to find a path so that the traditional values weve had in this country, the traditional rights weve enjoyed will remain so that information thats stored in the cloud gets the same kind of protection as information stored on paper. That, i think, is what we need to continue to seek. Woodruff brad smith, president of microsoft, we thank you for talking with us. Thank you. Woodruff today, republican president ial front runner donald trump continued to attack his own partys process for choosing a president ial nominee a system he says is rigged. For more on that, the chairmanan of the Republican National committee, Reince Priebus, joins me now. Reince priebus, we welcome you to the program. Whawewhat do you say . Y donald trump has been saying this for days and i heard him say it again in syracuse, new york, just a few hours ago. What do you say . I mean, this is ao very serious charge hes making, that the process is crooked. Well, i dont know howow serious the charge is, and im not sure how much is rhetoric, but the truth is that the process is the same process its been for decades. The reality is no one actually cared about how delegates were allocated. Each state has the opportunity to choose the method by which they allocate delegates to the national convention. ni some states have primaries, some states have caucuses and some states have actual conventions where delegates are voted on. These are things that have been set in place since october of 2015. All the candidates have been briefed. They have all been aware of the rules, out there for the whole world to see. There is nothing mysterious about it. By the way, no one complained either before colorado, beforelo the result. It was only after the results did we get a single complaint about the process. Well, let me read youre familiar with this, but let me read you what donald trump said about colorado. He said, when i joined the campaign in june, he said, they had a system. He said, after they saw i was going to win in colorado, he said, they changed the system. He said the people in colorado didnt know their votes were going to be taken away from them. And that statement has been debunked by many people. Colorado had a convention the last time. Colorado used to have what we call beauty contests in other words, they werent elections,le it was a straw poll that didnt award any delegates to anyone, so it had no value, no use of a straw poll, so they dumped the straw poll and went to the straight up convention. By the way, 60,000 people,0 competed in colorado in the precinct level contest. Then those people moved to a county contest. Then those people moved to a Congressional District contest. And then they moved to a state convention contest, where all the candidates participated. They had surrogates speaking. No one along the way said, hey, i dont really like the way this is going. I dont really like this kind of system. I was going to say, but it is the case, if you look at state after state after state, the process is different in virtually every one of the 50 states. Its not a simple thing. You have to be some kind of an expert to understand all this. Is it really democratic anymore . And i mean with a small d. Of course it is. Its the same method we have been using, and the Democrats Use the same delegate method. Were not a public entity. Were an organization that is made up of members across the country and state parties. State parties have a right to determine how each of their delegates get to go to the national convention. You c know, 150 years ago, delegates ran in the states and they just went to the convention and they voted, and they sat rules and vote for officers. Its a real convention. Nt its not a fourday party. Its just no one ever watches whats happens during the day at these conventions when rules are voted on and there is actual business that goes on. Itsco no different than when te boy scouts or the kiwan nays have an election. They get together, vote on officers and have an election. Woodruff but mr. Trump and others have made the point thatt the person who gets the most votes in a primary or caucus does not end with the most delegates or at least a high proportion of the delegates, something smells. But they do end up with the most delegates. In the case of florida, donald trump won in mid 50 of the vote, he won 100 of the delegates. I didnt hear any complaining about that. The reality is the bound delegates that are awarded to t the candidates are absolutely bound to those candidates. They dont lose that support. They are bound to the candidate, no matter what, even if they dont like the candidate, they have to vote for that candidate. The problem that youre hearing being complained about is whos getting the unbound delegates, and that is an issue of each Campaign Going into each of these states and competing for those unbound delegates. But theyre not losing anything, unbound delegates to the national convention, not one thing. I think not everybody understands the difference between bound and unbound, but want to move on and ask you this Donald Trumps central argument is that the american system political system is rigged. He talks about its the consultants, the pollsters, what he calls the party bosses who are running things. He says the politicians have grown rich and powerful, ordinary people are left behindd do you agree with his really central thesis here . Well, sure. I think a lot of people agree. I think all the candidates, i think those are themes that i think everyone can relate to. So i dont quarrel with that. But in regard to whether or not a National Party has a right to set the rules as to how a nominee is chosen from a party is unquestionable. St i mean, these candidates, what are they doing if they are competing to see which one of these people are going to be chosen by the voters and the delegates of our party. One of them is going to be chosen. Im not competing for one of them. Theyre competing to join the Republican Party. They can compete to join whatever party they want to join, but if they want to join the Republican Party, then they have to play by the rules of the Republican Party, and i cant imagine any controversy about that whatsoever. Woodruff quickly, then, areco you ruling out somebody being chosen, nominated at the convention who didnt run y the primaries . Theyd be chosen if a majority of the delegates at the convention choose a person to bo the nominee of our party, theyy, will be the nominee of our party. I find that to bey. Highly unlikely. Ive said that many times. Certainly donald trump and ted cruz have great advantages, but ultimately they have to, or john kasich or whoever has to be able to get the majority of delegates on the floor to have the convention to be the nominee of the party, and we will support the nominee at the Republican National committee. Woodruff Reince Priebus, chairman of the Republican National committee, thank youmm very much. You bet. Woodruff now we turn to the analysis of shields and brooks. That is syndicated columnist mark shields and New York Times columnist david brooks. So, mark, what did you make of mr. Priebus comment about donald a trumps complaint . Reince priebus is right, the state parties choose the rules, establish them. Those rules have been set since last august. Theyre not particularlyul appealing rules in colorado. Fewer than 1 of the 900,000 registered republicans of the state even were able to participate in the choice, but those rules have been available i mean, the irony of this whole thing to me, judy, is that donald trump has run as the guy whos going to be the tough, nononsense negotiate. His election sends nervous knees in beijing and tokyo, and here he is getting rolled by the Colorado State Republican Party which, in the last 42 years, has managed to win the governorship with one candidate in 42 years and twice lost the state to barack obama. If you cant and outnegotiate and outwit, and if youre going to get flummoxed by dwelling with the Republican Party in ohio woodruff donald trump keeps arguing away the process is rigged and crooked. As others pointed out, as a businessman perfectly willing to use the amoral bankruptcy laws to his own advantage and hes getting outfoxed. Woodruff did you say amoral laws . The laws are the way they are. I think, a, theyre in touch with the american tradition. We do not live in a straightup democracy, we live in a republic. We have an electoral college, two senators where the two senators from wyoming have the same as the two from californian and we have a delegate process where its not a straightup democracy. Its every big organization, whether General Motors or the boy scouts, they have an organization that make the decisions and the more senior have more power than the people who are not. Thats for a good reason. E you want a party to have consistency over time, you want it to have a structure where people have to compromise each other and basically have a series of stability so you dont get carried away by momentary fads and demagogues. Woodruff is it smart forr donald trump to keep talking about this process . Because hes not giving up on this line of i dont think it is. I mean, it obviously gets a great response from the crowd that its rigged and this has been obviously a theme of his that the whole system is rigged. The economic system, the political system. M. I dont think donald trump does well as a victim. A i mean, hes the guy thats going to be you know, the new sheriff in town. Hes going to come in and kick tail and take names. This is where he looks a little bit victimized. Mi i dont think it works. P rules of the the rules of the parties, i think there is a Public Interest in how they do it. The Democratic Party changed after 1968, when it was determined a major Antiwar Movement emerged in that year to challenge president johnsons nomination and reelection and turns out half the delegates were chosen two years earlier so the process was not open or available and they made it more open and available and it is autonomous to each state to set the rules. Colorado did a lousy job setting the ruleset and South Carolina d georgia delegates are conspiring to dump him on the second ballot. So there is a legitimate point of view i think hes raised. I dont think it works for him politically. Woodruff you agree he doesnt gain anything by this . Its an effective argument. If he was winning, he wouldnt be complaining. I would point out as were more open in our selection process, not sure the candidates are any better Abraham Lincoln was good, franklin roosevelt. Thats the old smokefilled rooms. I like those. Woodruff youre sayingyi its the only argument he can make at this point. Hes bind in delegates figuringg out how to pick up delegates and this is all he can do. He has more votes and delegates than anybody. I dont think this is a time we pass the hat and hold a benefit for donald trump. Hes about to win new york convincingly. Hes been ahead inco pennsylvan. I think the people who have been endorsing candidates have been moving in his direction. Hes strong than he certainly was when he lost wisconsin. To me its a confusing moment because in the delegate process, ted cruz has not a clear path but a path where if he can deny donald trump the majority on the first ballot and cruz looking good, the delegates keep rackink up for him. But trump is rising in the polls, cruz is dropping, and so you really have a bifurcation. The delegate race looks like its leaning a little cruz way but not the vote. So in that sense his argument is a plausible argument. I mean, the people choosing one way and the delegates going to other. Woodruff the democrats,oo there was a pretty wild debate, mark, last night between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. What did you make of it . It gotnr hot. It did. Gone is the cordiality and Mutual Respect of the earlier debates. This may very well be the last time the two candidates are on the same stage together and couldnt be over quick enough. I think there was an intensitysi in the evening. I if i could make one suggestion of both parties is that you dont have crowds at the debates, pep rally crowds. S. I think it brings out the worst in candidates and they Start Playing to the room and getting cheers and hoops and hazas and all the rest of it. But, no, Hillary Clinton and a Bernie Sanders, neither one came upon it particularly warm or likable, fair to stay. Bernie sanders may be the most disciplined candidate i have ever seen. Ca he stays on message very well. Secretary clinton showed herself could take a punch and keep standing. I mean, she certainly is theres a toughness about her, but she does not have an answer for the Goldman Sachs and the speeches and so forth. I mean, i dont know any other candidates for president get a quarter Million Dollars for speaking at Goldman Sachs. Goldman sachs is so the typical for Hillary Clinton. Remember the law firm papers that showed up mysteriously insl the white house on the table . She will delay and delay till it maximally hurts her and then release. She has this pattern of secrecy. I do not think the Goldman Sachs thing will hurt her in a general election. Democratic voters care aboutte that stuff. Donald trump would love to be partners with Goldman Sachs. Most independent generalr election voters want most people to work at Goldman Sachs. Hs i dont think thats going to hurt her. Im sort of truck by the way sanders has not widened his critique. A Pivotal Moment in the campaign is when he didnt go after the emails. At that moment, he shut off an avenue. Secondly, he could really go on a class critique of her, living in a fancy house, eating in fancy restaurants, shes of the 1 , and that could be a very big social but not only discreet issues like the Goldman Sachs speech, on her whole life. He hasnt been as aggressive as he might be. Woodruff that would be taking it to a personal level, wouldnt it . I will say Bernie Sanders has been urged to go after the emails, and he made the decision not to. That wasnt what his candidacy and his campaign was about, is what he said. And to his credit, what everyone says, he has dominated the conversation. The movement by candidates in this race has been toward Bernie Sanders positions, not towardd anybody elses. So, i mean, in that, it was a disciplined decision and it was and it obviously makes it easy. I agree with david that the Goldman Sachs transcripts are not of great interest to Republican Voters in such things. But he could have just belted her on that. He could have run tv spots on that and hasnt. Hes chosen not to go at a personal level. Bhamay be admirable. The movement of the debate, the big issues, the one this time is minimumwage where she floated to 15. 15 makes sense in San Francisco but crazy in large parts to have the country. Ve she made that point. She was for 12 minimumwage. Going up to 15 is more than weve done historically and will lead to job losses for the least educated and skilled. Nonetheless, thats where the debate is going and shes going after issue after issue. Woodruff do you think either one materially helped or hurt themselves last night . I dont know. Ig i think sanders played k well in the room. I dont think hes cracked into her northernwhite support in new york or anyplace else. I think his decision to go to rome probably made sense because it plays to his issue. Meeting ativn9j to the vatican. 7mgm o the pope, according to the most recent gallup of 64 nations, the most admired figure in the world among catholics, jews, majority approval among gnostics and atheists, you put those four groups together you ought to win a new York Democratic primary. If the pope wont endorse you, you endorse the pope. You could say this has been a pope francis primary in the sense of economic inecall the and justice. Woodruff somean criticize sanders being off the trail a few days before the New York Primary. Quickly, david, does all this lead to something for Bernie Sanders . Does it help him move toward dethroning . Its hard to see where the polls are but it makes her look bad. If youre in your home state being pummeled in this way, it seeps the glow out of her campaign. Its a dogged, dogged race for her. Woodruff david brooks, mark shields, thank you both. Woodruff pope francis is due to head to the greek island of i lesbos tomorrow to see for himself the extent of theex refugee crisis. He plans to visit a Detention Camp where some of the migrants are being held, pending possible deportation. Thats according to terms of a deal signed last month between s the European Union and turkey. So, just how important is thisju visit . Special correspondent Malcolm Brabant reports from lesbos. Reporter another day of uncertainty begins on an island that once offered hope to hundreds of thousands seeking security, protection or prosperity. But the estimated 4,000 migrants currently stranded on lesbos worry that their foothold in europe is more tenuous than ever. This island is now a place of i despair. Human Rights Groups regard it as an open prison for people desperate to avoid being sent back across the stretch of water that claimed so many lives. George kosmopoulos of Amnesty International we hope the visit of the pope will highlight both the solidarity, the great solidarity shown by the greek people and people all over the world to refugees in lesbos, in mytillini. But will also shed some light additionally to the problems, the big problems with regards the implementation of the e. U. Turkey deal, in the rushed attempt of greece to proceed with a deal that is both dangerous and illegal in our view. Reporter in preparation for the popes visit, they were whitewashing the walls of the Detention Camp and covering upin graffiti expressing support for the migrants. Whenever dignitaries come to see the refugee crisis for themselves, the greek authorities do what they can to sanitize this situation. When actress and u. N. Refugee Agency Special envoy Angelina Jolie visited, the razor wire at the Detention Center was conveniently taken down and put back up as soon as she left. Now, in the run up to the popes visit, all the deportations back to turkey have been put on hold. But im told by sources at europes Border Agency frontex, that they will resume first thing next week. Human rights advocates are highly critical of conditions in this so called hot spot, whereer Asylum Seekers are supposed to be processed. The police werent keen on us getting too close. Ce its not allowed. Stop the shooting. Reporter why not . Sir, its not allowed. Reporter why not . Problem. Close close. Reporter okay, all right. Reporter ewa cosse of Human Rights Watch was also prevented from entering to assess conditions inside, but interviewed people through the fence. Her organization, along with others, believes the detentions are arbitrary and unjust. Whats wrong . First, there are large, large numbers of vulnerable groups being detained there. S we interviewed families with Young Children and people with disabilities, people with Mental Health problems, pregnant women who are really suffering inside. There are no Services Since thee implementation of the e. U. Turkey deal n. G. O. s withdrew from the detention facilities in line with their policies not to work in closed facilities, so there is a big lack of servicesi for these people. Reporter an alarm goes off at the phone recharging center at another, more relaxed and better equipped refugee camp. Its the muslim call to prayer. Sitting nearby is Murteza Hasainzada a tailor from kabul. Having spent 10,000, he arrived in lesbos after europe made it i clear through the deal with turkey that it was no longer wide open to all comers. Hes not too sure what the pope can do, but hell take any help that will stop him from being deported i dont want to go back. I say, until they open the borders, i am stay here, and i dont want to go back. Reporter the same unwillingness to accept the new reality is evident in a conversation between a visiting danish politician and a palestinian asylum seeker, yousef hammad, who fled gaza after being jailed by the radical hamas government for six months. He also arrived in lesbos aftero europe pulled down the shutters. I dont like to think about the situation about going back. Maybe like, stay here just good. Reporter do you really think reporter denmarks former center left interior minister Morten Ostergaard is concerned that Asylum Seekers rights under International Law are possibly being breached, but doubts whether pope francis is the catalyst for change. At least what i think the pope can do is to shed a bit of hope on the people who are desperate, but politically, its up to people like me and political leaders in the European Union to make a difference. We cant leave that to the pope. Reporter and this is spyros galinos, the mayor of lesbos, who was instrumental in inviting the pope to draw attention to the plight of the refugees and the islanders burden. translated it is a visit of enormous symbolic importance and we hope that all governments will follow the popes lead and finally move in the right direction for all the peoples of europe. Reporter on a religious level, the popes visit is fraught with difficulties. The catholic and Orthodox Churches split cataclysmically a thousand years ago, and are still unable to resolve differences. There are some forces within orthodoxy that are seeking reconciliation, but leading theologian Panayotis Tsagaris is sceptical translated we consider that the popes visit is littlee more than a Public Relations exercise which will not provide any real solution to the refugee problem facing not only my island and country but also extending to europe. Reporter the fraught histort between the churches has even led some ultra conservative religious leaders to call the Papal Mission a stab in the back. One archbishop expressed concern that hiding among the migrants are islamic extremists on a mission to undermine europe ande its traditions. But on the waterfront in greeces main port piraeus, ther Orthodox Church is demonstrating its willingness to reach across the religious divide. Every day the churchs charity, apostoli, distributes a thousand meals to Asylum Seekers living rough on the harbour. Spokeswoman Despina Katsivelaki rejects the islamophobic wing oi orthodoxy. translated we help human beings regardless of their race, religion, color, nationality. Or thats what we do. Thats our role and aim and thats what we try to succeed in doing. Reporter although the islanders are desperate for the human tide to diminish, theresa profound empathy for people escaping conflict and trying to improve themselves. Because greeks have a similar history. Father athanasios yiousmas is the chief priest at the exquisite church in mytillini, lesboss main town. translated this is why we have such mixed feelings within ourselves not only pain for these refugees, but also agony about what is likely to happen generally, and in this country, together with disgust and, forgive me for saying so, but disgust for not only the World Leaders but also those here in greece. Reporter despite misgivings about the e. U. Turkey accord, it seems to be working as its dealmakers intended. The numbers of arrivals are substantially down. Spanish lifeguards have returned from patrols empty handed for nearly two weeks. The turks are either upholding their end of the bargain, or the boats are being intercepted by the e. U. Border agency. The big question is, will the despair on lesbos filter back down the migrant trail and detet the throng . Or will they find new routes to reach their goal . For the pbs newshour, im Malcolm Brabant in lesbos. Woodruff and there will be more on the popes visit to lesbos on the pbs newshour weekend, right here on most of these pbs stations. Woodruff next music with a purpose. A story about a violinist charting her own musical path. Jeffrey brown tells us exactly how her music is hitting the spirit. Brown it was an unlikely setting for a Classical Music performance a homeless shelter, the community for creative non violence, in the shadow of the nations capitol. Where concert violinist Rachel Barton pine played a special engagement for the residents. There was music from many eras, and styles. Along the way, pine offered bits of musical history. And told them a bit about herself. Pine, in fact, knows something of the plight of her audience. Her father was mostly unemployed and the family had to scrape by. We had these three sort of grocery crates rescued from the garbage and this one little electric heater and i would rotate it every ten minutes so that as part of me was thawing, another part would be starting to freeze. And we had to do unusual things like get my concert clothes from a thrift store and try to fix them up to be something presentable for stage. Brown these days, pine tours the world a good part of thea year, traveling with her husband greg who serves as her manager and their fouryear old daughter. But she feels a pull to give back, wherever she goes. Er sometimes i go to hospitals, ive been to prisons. Just wherever music can uplift peoples spirits. Thats the meaning of being aea musician. Brown you have a life on the road that is different than thet sort of traditional performingmi and then playingn places like this. Absolutely, i think more and more artists, especially with the Younger Generation are really understanding the valuest of community engagement. If we were only playing for the converted, we would not be honoring our gifts to the fullest extent. Brown one spirit lifted today ray simmons, who told us of falling on hard times, and finding hope in pines music and his own. You have to hold onto something. You have to hold onto your sanity. Brown for you, it sounds like you hold onto your music. D i hold onto my music quite often. Thats what gets me through. Im going to play my way out and sing my way out of this place. For sure. For sure. Brown pine started young. She gave her first recital at age five, played with a professional orchestra at seven, and with one of the great ones, the chicago symphony, in a concert of young performers at age ten. In recent years, she formed a Foundation Helps what she callso poor prodigies with things not covered by traditional scholarships accompaniment fees, sheet music,us transportation to competitions. To date shes helped 70 younglp people. Another project, global heart strings, supports aspiringg musicians in developing countries such as haiti. Here in america, we take for granted , like rosin to put on, your bow hair. Or, you know, a shoulder rest. Brown at 21, on the brink of a major career, the doors of a, chicago commuter train closed oc the straps of her violin case, trapping pine. The train dragged her 200 feet,0 severing her left leg and mangling her right foot. Fifty surgeries later, she walks on a prosthetic leg. It was really a case of corporate negligence, because there had been many prior instances before the day that i happened to get hurt. Et and thankfully, theyve changed their safety procedures. , everyone has something to dealg with and this just happens to be mine. S brown and, the concert violinist is also a heavymetal lover and performer a regular headbanger, here playing metallicas one. So first it was like the mainstream bands and then i started to get into the classic thrash groups like anthrax, megadeth, slayer. Early metallica. Like the music just grabbed me. It was so intense. Brown you were playing classical, bach during the day and then at 10 oclock, youre listening to anthrax . It sounds silly to say but i relaxed to this headbanging metal, but yeah, i could just turn my brain off and rock out. F i started playing these things on my instrument and realized, wait a sec, this is actually very sophisticated music. Brown for us, she played ozzy osbournes crazy train. Maybe, pine says, she can help s bridge these disparate musical worlds. One of my goals has to been to get fellow headbangers out to the symphony. There is nothing more intense than 100 people on stage playing the tchaikovsky violin concerto. And, you know, its an experience like none other. Brown 100 people on stage, or one at a homeless shelter, where Rachel Barton pine gave residents a taste of her newly released album, her 30th, called testament bachs sonatas and partitas for solo violin. In washington, d. C. , im Jeffrey Brown for the pbs newshour. Woodruff heavy metal on the violin you can watch all of Rachel Barton pines version of crazy train on art beat, online at www. Pbs. Org newshour. And for more online rembrandt retold. A video artist has tied the 17thcentury dutch painters work to a modern story, one ofry cancer, tragedy and growing upow in South Central los angeles. You can view the touching piece on our home page. U and more from our race matters series. Journalists share their experience reporting on race and policing. Watch highlights from a town hall hosted by special correspondent charlayne hunterde gault. All that and more is on our web site, www. Pbs. Org newshour. And a reminder about some upcoming programs fromng our pbs colleagues. Tonight on washington week, ag deep dive into 2016 politics and the mystery known as delegate math. Why clinching a partys nomination has more to do with securing delegates than winning primaries and caucuses. On pbs newshour weekend, how one rust belt city is trying to save itself, one house at a time. This house on the south side of youngstown has been vacant for eight years. Now its being tornn down. These demolitions are part of a citywide plan to eliminate blight and rebuild. Since the 1950s, youngstowns population has declined by 60 . To us of empty homes have been left behind. In 2009, the city created a new nonprofit, the youngstown Neighborhood Development corporationhb or y. N. D. C. We dont go around talking about utopian visions. Were dealing with the real basics here. Weve just got to get neighborhoods cleaned up. Woodruff thats tomorrow night on pbs Newshour Woodruff thats tomorrow night, on pbs newshour weekend. And well be back, right here, r on monday. 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One of the most Important Oil meetings in decades takes place this weekend. But with billions of oil dollars on the line, will a deal get done . Tax benefit . Why one of the big financial benefits of Home Ownership no longer exists for some. Virtual reality revolution. The stocks our market monitor says are in the thick of this massive technological change. All this and more tonight on nightly Business Report for this friday, april the 15th. Good evening. Im Bill Griffeth in for Tyler Mathisen. Im Sharon Epperson in for sue herera. We begin with oil. In a gh