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It all starts here. Previously on my brothers bomber. There was a man there, and he was still in the same office, same place where the timer that they say had blown up flight 103. Wow. Dornstein it looks suspicious, like you are helping make the bomb that blew up flight 103. No, no, no. Dornstein i just want one person to tell me that the story is true and ill let it drop. I dont need the whole picture, i just want one guy. And then id feel like id be done. Am i going to make a scene and go into the room and say, did you murder my brother . Because you dont bring a bomb as a bomb. You have to put it together. Dornstein so he said there was a bomb expert . A libyan bomb expert, yes. Dornstein so the hunt is on for abu agela . If hes still alive. internet phone ringing hi dad. Dornstein hi guys. Dad, we cant actually see your eyes. We can just your nose and mouth. Move down. There you are. Where are you now . Do you even know where dad is . Washington, d. C. So, what are you doing in washington . Dornstein thats a really good question. Well, theres gonna be a whole ceremony at a big cemetery. You know, theres like the one National Cemetery . Yeah, arlington cemetery. Dornstein arlington National Cemetery. They put up a monument for this bombing that killed uncle david. And now 25 years later all the families are gonna come, and, uh, im gonna show up for uncle david. Can you guys imagine still caring about a story even 25 years later . Yes. Yeah, if it made my brother die. Dornstein yeah. 25 years ago tomorrow, four days before christmas, a bomb exploded on board a pan am jetliner over lockerbie, scotland. All 259 on board, mostly americans, and 11 on the ground were killed. And on this anniversary, they will gather once more, mindful that 25 years later, justice has not been done for those lost at lockerbie. Its hard to believe that a quarter of a century has gone by and the family members are still asking why, still asking what happened. The past few minutes, a moment of silence has been held in london, lockerbie, and arlington cemetery, to mark the time at three minutes past 7 00 in 1988, when the bomb exploded on board. As they gathered around the memorial in arlington National Cemetery, a bell was rung as the name of each victim was read aloud. Lockerbies been a huge part of my life, and always will be. Dornstein mine too. Yeah, i get that. Dornstein cause ive been on this trail for a while, you know, trying to find the few guys left who were probably on your list. Yup. Someone told me recently that the u. S. Government still wants to try to find out more things about lockerbie. So i feel good about that, this is an fbi agent telling me that. He said we were going to go conduct additional investigation. I hope its true. I hope when mueller leaves the bureau next year that it doesnt stop. Through the years, Robert Mueller has joined families in honoring the victims. 25 years later, mueller says, the hunt for the bombers goes on. There are a number of people that we are still seeking. This investigation is ongoing. And we will do what we can to assure that others involved in way, shape or form are prosecuted and successfully tried. The aircraft came out of te sky trailing flames, scattering wreckage, fuel, and passengers. A crater 20 feet deep marks the spot near the main glasgow road where the jumbo jet came down. The bomb was so powerful. Dornstein 25 years later, why is it that some people can make a kind of peace with it, and other people keep digging around for the truth or justice or the facts or the perpetrators. Why do we have to do it . I dont know the answer to that. I suppose its partly the type of people we are. In my case i think the campaign has also been the way of coping with the loss of a dearly loved daughter. But i suppose you have to balance the harm its doing to you and those you love against the good that it might produce in the end if you can crack it. Dornstein there were times i wished id never gone to libya, that id never reopened all of these questions. Lockerbie had become a puzzle that i told myself i was always just on the verge of solving, but there was always a missing piece. shouting on computer screen in the end, i decided to limit my focus to just one of the suspects on my list the mystery man who was on the same flight with the convicted bomber, megrahi, on the morning of lockerbie and may well have been with him the day he returned home. The man i suspected of being the libyans bomb expert. Tell me about this masud abu agela. Yeah, we were very keen to account for his movements. He would pop up in various places. He very much was, explosiveswise, deeply involved in it. Abouagela masud, i think is what we always called him. Dornstein right. Was he someone that you actually spoke about during the investigation . Absolutely. There was an intelligence assessment at the time that he was a technical expert. And we just could never identify him. The guy just was sort of a ghost, nobody would acknowledge him. Even after the scots went to libya in 1999 and they asked about masud, they said they never heard of him. Dornstein but, if you could figure out who he was, he was probably important. Yeah. Absolutely. He was somebody that maybe had something to do with arming the bomb. Give me the passport, american, and for you. speaking arabic you need help . Dornstein no, no, very good. Thank you. The u. S. Military, of cour, helped with the downfall of the libyan dictator, moammar qaddafi, but since then, libya has become a country without laws. Dornstein tripoli, libya, 2012 it was now my third time into the country. This time, though, i was looking mainly for one thing to pick up the trail of the libyan bomb expert abu agela. But things here had changed pretty significantly, my friend suliman told me. I mean, what was the security picture at that point . Nonexistent. You know there was so many groups fighting for turf. I mean, the government was trying to take control of the armed groups, but the armed groups were overwhelming them. I mean, tripoli was very difficult at that time because there were nightly clashes, there were small militias , thisng for, you kn headquarter and that headquarter. And then you have the out of town militias who have their own turfs in different part of the city. It was just. It was crazy. Dornstein i still wanted to find out something official about abu agela. But now i would need the help of one of the dozens of militias that controlled tripoli. Everybody has a militia and everybodys ruling a neighborhood and everybodys doing whatever the hell they want. Theres no central authority. Theres no clarity of whos in charge. Dornstein this is huge. This is warehouse, you see. Even the files of the old Intelligence Services and the official files of qaddafi have disappeared. I know some militias who are selling them in pieces. Theres a warehouse in tripoli where you can go and you pay a certain fee at the door, and you go into this warehouse where there are piles of official papers. Some of them are completely insignificant. Some of them are significant. And you go in there and you dig for whatever paper you want. Come, ken. His name bashir. Dornstein i never found the warehouse selling documents that had anything to do with lockerbie. But i still looked through every paper i could find that might offer a clue about the suspected bomb maker i was looking for. There may be documents out there that are relevant, but where are they now . Maybe some have been destroyed or just thrown in the garbage. Because they were just old documents and they meant nothing to them. To find the names in there, its like finding a needle in the middle of hay, so it was difficult. All this files, all this. Thats files. I remember the frustration of the last trip. We were really depressed about the rise of militias and islamic extremists and whatnot. The stability, for libyans, we took that for granted. I think everybody in the world takes it for granted. But once its taken from you, you know, the lawlessness, basically, if something happens to you, there is nobody that you can report it to. There is no justice to be had. Dornstein then, later that year, the news from libya grew worse. We are coming on the air because we have just learned that the u. S. Ambassador to libya has been killed. It happened overnight, when angry militants stormed the u. S. Consulate in benghazi, libya. They fired shots, set the building on fire. This is the first u. S. Ambassador killed on duty in an attack since 1979. The u. S. Is very fearful this will continue. They consider this an extremely dangerous situation. Its really sad to see, a country that had the opportunity to really start a whole new process. And they had the money. Libya was not egypt or tunisia. Libya had oil pumping every day. But then it sort of descended into this real mess. I mean, im telling you inside libya theres no way youre going to figure this lockerbie thing out. The only place that i will advise anyone investigating this is to go through the people from the qaddafi regime who fled the country. A lot of them left. Dornstein libya was no longer where i was likely to find the men i was looking for. I couldnt pick up any trace of the suspected bomb expert, abu agela. But i heard rumors that another of the men on my list, someone with a record of supplying explosives to terrorists, had fled the country, maybe to cairo. But his trail had gone cold too. There was one major figure on my list who definitely fled the country. And not long after my last trip into libya, he was finally captured and brought back for trial. It was a humbling return home for abdullah al senussi, once one of the most feared people in the country now surrounded by libyans chanting for justice and revenge. Senussi is alleged to have been one of the masterminds behind the lockerbie attack. He knows the old regimes. Dornstein i felt sure senussi knew the truth about lockerbie, but would he ever tell it . And what about the rest of these three dozen men on trial what did they know . Ive come to know only one person who had contact with these former qaddafit officials personally libya expert hafed al ghwell. These men believed, i didnt do anything wrong. I was a part of a government. I represented my nation. And, you know, i dont believ i did anything wrong. I mean, some of these guys killed for gaddafi, you know, in the 70s and 80s. Qaddafi knew they will always be loyal to him. Because everything they have comes from him. The Reagan Administration sees colonel qaddafi as public enemy number one because he supports worldwide terrorism. This mad dog of the middle east has a goal of a world revolution, muslim fundamentalist. Dornstein the seeds of lockerbie, ive come to believe, were sown during the days when president reagan and moammar qaddafi became locked in an escalating war of words and attacks. The leaders of the western world have called you a terrorist, colonel qaddafi. Dressed in a designer jumpsuit and sporting sunglasses. Dornstein how did this guy come to be known to americans as this almost cartoonish, but dangerous figure . This is the persona qaddafi wanted. This is how im going to make a mark on the world stage. And he started picking fights with the united states. For no reason. There was a lot of concern by advisers to president reagan at the time that you had to do something about libya. The libyan leader, colonel qaddafi, is being blamed for the hijacking. It was an unceasing series of tests by qaddafi. The finger of suspicion is pointing hard tonight at moammar qaddafi, the libyan leader, in connection with wednesdays nightclub explosion. Fridays bloody terrorist attacks on airports in vienna and rome. Mr. Qaddafi must know that we will hold him fully accountable for terrorist operations against americans. Several Administration Officials fanned out on capitol hill. There were policy meetings going on at the white house in the National Security council. And all i can tell you is that s a debate between people who wanted to kill qaddafi and people who just wanted to scare him. Qaddafi picked the fight. It wasnt the u. S. Fault. The fault of the u. S. Is itt reacted to him. It was called operation el dorado canyon. The attack on libya almost 24 hours ago has left many libyans dead or injured. Last nights raid took a heavy toll here. Libyan officials. We bombed libya because this was the last straw in a whole series of things that gaddafi had done. I warned colonel qaddafi we would hold his regime accountable. He did open hostilities, and we closed them. Libyan radio is quoted saying that one of Moammar Qaddafis houses was hit and. The bombing of 86 had a huge impact on qaddafis psyche. If the americans were tryig to wipe out colonel qaddafis home, they couldnt have gotten much closer. It was a tenminute bombing raid. He disappeared underground. Even his inner circle didnt know exactly where he was for about threeandahalf months. And i know somebody who saw him during that period. He said he was completely devastated. He was in a massive depression. And could not believe that no matter what, this is politics, why are they trying to kill me and kill my family . If the american warplanes were aiming to hit Security Force headquarters nearby, they missed badly. Instead, they destroyed civilian homes. Before 9 11, that was the only official time i know of that we bombed a country because of terrorism. Was that a good way of dealing with terrorism, go bombing people . I dont think that people generally understood that pan am 103 was revenge for that 1986 bombing, but it was. Abu shalgam, one of colonel qaddafis most senior diplomats ready to talk about revenge. We said that we will attack any place. I think i am clear. Dornstein Abdel Rahman Shalgam later renounced qaddafi, but as libyas ambassador in rome back in 1986, he threatened revenge for the u. S. Attack. This is the largest Libyan Peoples Bureau in europe. Dornstein he said libyan embassies around the world were put on alert to look for american targets. Dornstein and so the message was, there will be revenge . Exactly. The mass funeral was for victims of monday nights air raid. Coffins were carried along to antiamerican chants. Dornstein and you mentioned someone pledging revenge . Yeah, said rashid. Dornstein you said, if libya was involved in lockerbie, said rashid, could have sort of organized it. Yeah, exactly. Dornstein he could plan out the different parts of a complicated operation . Exactly. Dornstein shalgam said he tried often to get answers about lockerbie from key members of the qaddafi inner circle, like Abdullah Senussi. Dornstein about lockerbie . About lockerbie. Dornstein but shalgam was much more certain about the libyan role in another attack against americans twoand ahalf years before lockerbie. Dornstein the la belle disco . La belle disco. It was around 2 00 a. M. When the bomb went off in the crowded la belle discotheque. Police say there were about 500 people inside, many of them offduty u. S. Soldiers. Dornstein the cycle of revenge that ended in lockerbie likely began here in germany, when u. S. Servicemen at a berlin nightclub were attacked in april of 1986. The evidence is now conclusive that the terrorist bombing of la belle discotheque was planned and executed under the direct orders of the libyan regime. Orders were sent from tripoli. Dornstein whatnterested me were clues that several of the men on my list were also involved in the disco bombing. Said rashid seems to have led the attack, but was never prosecuted. But there was another man who worked for him on the disco bombing, and this man was would ultimately become the most significant figure in my search for answers on lockerbie. Police have arrested a libyan man suspected in a 1986 bombing of a discotheque in berlin a bombing widely seen as an attack against the united states. The mans name . Musbah abulgassem eter. Dornstein as it happened, i was able to track down musbah eter in berlin in 2012, and he was willing to talk with me. Dornstein musbah eter had spent years in a german prison for the disco bombing. When i met him, though, his job involved checking up on libyan revolutionaries injured in the war against qaddafi. Okay, and were gonna film, and thats okay . We have your permission . Okay. Dornstein okay. Eter agreed to let me film with him as he made his rounds at the clinics. At this point, he knew i was a journalist whod been to libya, but he didnt know that i wanted to talk with him about lockerbie. My hope was to build some trust with eter first before we settled into our roles as victim and perpetrator. Dornstein by all accounts, eter had helped arrange medical treatment for these men in berlin, and they seemed genuinely grateful. But i wondered if they knew abot eters ties to the qaddafi government that theyd just fought so hard to overthrow. I tried myself to understand eters past. Musbah eter arrived in germany in 1984 an intelligence operative working undercover at the Libyan Embassy along with dozens of others, all of whom were under surveillance by the east german secret police, the stasi. By late march of 1986, eter was deeply involved with the plot to bomb the berlin disco. Some ten years later, hed confessed to the german authorities. And it was in that confession where eter first mentioned a libyan bomb expert who played a key role in the plot. Eter described a libyan who brought the bomb and instructed him how to assemble it. How to put it together in the end, the individual parts of an explosive device. Dornstein so there was a libyan bomb expert. A libyan bomb expert, yes. Dornstein do you remember the name of that person . Eter always referred to him as abu gela. And, of course, sorry as a german prosecutor, i have no idea how to spell abu gela. I would probably spell it like jelly or something, so i asked him, put it down please. And this is what he did. He wrote neger, black skin. But here in german, it doesnt have that negative meaning it has in the u. S. Dornstein and thats the only description he wrote there of him so it must be his most important feature. Yes, yes. Dornstein that hes very dark skinned. Mmhmm. Eters story was credible. It was highly accurate and it fit in with the information we obtained through the stasi files. Dornstein more la belle files. This is only part of it. Dornstein the stasi had a lot of information about the libyans, i gather. The stasi had a lot ofsi information on the libyans. Dornstein the east german secret police, the stasi, kept a close watch on the libyans in east berlin back in the 1980s, and they had the la belle suspects under close surveillance before and after the bombing. A lot of the most Sensitive Files they compiled were likely destroyed. But enough were preserved to help make the case against the libyans for la belle. And i was hoping there were still enough documents left to make the key link to lockerbie. Could we see one . To my surprise, i was able to find abu agelas name all over the stasi files. After the disco bombing, it seemed, he stayed in room 526 of berlins metropole hotel. He used various code names and aliases, but the stasi was also able to record his real libyan passport number 835004. And this number turned out to be exactly what i was looking for the missing piece of a puzzle id been trying to assemble for years. You know, i looked at the stasi files and i was surprised to see this abu agela and his passport number there. Mmhmm. Dornstein because in the lockerbie case there were c. I. A. Cables that describe his abu agelas name and his role and that showed his passport numbera and there was a match. Would that surprise you, that the bomb expert in la belle was also involved in lockerbie . Of course im not surprised that abu agela would also do the same for other bombs, including lockerbie. Dornstein so what did all of this really mean . I kept coming back to those images id gotten out of state tv in libya. More specifically, i was focused on the man i believed was abu agela there in the backseat greeting megrahi when he returned home. Records show that megrahi and abu agela were traveling on the same flight several times before lockerbie, flying in and out of the island of malta, where the bomb was said to have originated. In the days and weeks before the bombing, the cias informant at the Malta Airport suspected that megrahi and abu agela were planning some type of special operation. We absolutely were convinced that he was involved, and that he may have been the guy that wired up the bomb, that did all the technical stuff with the explosive. But we had no other. We didnt know who else he was. Dornstein basically this c. I. A. Assessment tells the story. I walked the original lockerbie investigators through the trail that led me to the libyan bomb expert. And masud. Dornstein and masud abu agela, passport number 835004. Its the same as the stasi documents. Mm, hmmm. Dornstein so megrahi is traveling twice before lockerbie with the bomb expert from la belle disco. Thats pretty interesting. Would have been great to have known all that. Thats amazing. Dornstein so, during the la belle investigation, they find some stasi documents. This is from april of 86. This is the week after la belle disco. And then you find this name. Hmmm. Dornstein and you find the passport number. 835004. Is that the same . Yes, certainly is. Dornstein theres a solid connection here. Theres the same passport number. Its a hell of a coincidence. Dornstein and there is a witness in berlin. His name is musbah eter. Hes the libyan who confessed in the la belle case who names abu agela. He looks like this. And eter. And what does he say . He says basically abu agela armed the bomb for the for the la belle disco . Dornstein yeah, its in german, but ill give you from the english side. You know, if agents brought me this now, and im not there, i dont know what the. Dornstein but as a prosecutor assessing what. You find out. You go talk to this guy; you find out what he says. You get his story down, and you try and figure out how you can corroborate it. Dornstein i returned to berlin several times to learn more from muah eter. At this point, id told him my brother had been killed in the lockerbie bombing and that i was hoping he might be able to help me find the truth. Dornstein he took me to the building where he and abu agela had worked together in the mid1980s. Dornstein i was hoping he would tell me more about lockerbie. E. But then in the middle of our filming, eter struck up a conversation wh a businessman who now worked at the old embassy. Dornstein eter persuaded the businessman to take him inside, and back in his old office, eter kept getting deeper into the details of what he had done here. Dornstein i knew what eter had done in the 1980s he struck me as no different than the men on my list. And maybe his explanation for why hed once blown up americans was no different from what the actual lockerbie bombers might have told me as well. But i still wanted more. I still wanted to find the bomb maker, abu agela, and eter, to my surprise, told me that he would help. He suggested i give him a few months to make contact with abu agela, and then we should meetn again in berlin. Want me to call him . Dornstein what did he say the last time . The last time he said hes fine doing it. Dornstein he said he would do it . Yeah, he had no problem with it. So maybe hes busy. Dornstein eter promised to sit for an interview laying out everything he knew about the libyan bomb makers role in lockerbie. But several times, we planned to meet, and several times, he canceled. Should we get out of here . Lets get of here. But lets not give up. Dornstein at this point, musbah eter was my only link to the man i believed helped prepare the lockerbie bomb. Back in berlin, hed assured me that the dark skinned bomb expert was still alive and still in libya. I now started to wonder if eterr would be willing to work directly with the u. S. Government to pursue abu agela. I guess the number one question i would have is can we have access to this guy . If Ken Dornstein can go talk to him. Dornstein right. I guess the next question is, what kind of cooperation can the u. S. Government or the scots get in getting access to abu agela . Dornstein right, right. I mean, this isnt easy, because its a Foreign Government in a failed state thats a basketcase at this stage. Its not going to be an easy ride. Dornstein right. You and i cant do what we did a few years ago in todays libya, can we . Uhuh. You know the bombings and political unrest and all of this terrorism thats happening, and, you know, the power vacuum, all of these militias, the carjackings. You know, theres an ongoing war now in libya. Libya has descended into is worst violence since the uprising that ousted moammar qaddafi three years ago. Dozens of civilians are caught in the crossfire between Libyan Special forces and islamist militants. The country is in chaos. U. S. Diplomats are gone from the embassy and islamic militants are there celebrating. Plunging into the pool at a u. S. Embassy in tripoli. The acrobatics a celebration. Dornstein the news from libya was consistently grim. Some people i talked to there quietly longed for the order of the old regime. In libya, a trial has begun for the sons of moammar qaddafi and more than two dozen of his exofficials. Dornstein at the same time, in tripoli, the new government was continuing its trial of former qaddafi oicials. The exspy chief, abdullahl senussi was among the defendants fenced off behind bars. From corruption to war cris related to the 2011 uprising. Dornstein the libyans were interested in crimes committed during the revolution, but i was listening at home for details about the men on my list. Then, in the middle of the trial, a photo arrived by email from musbah eter. It was poor quality and came with no explanation. But, in the center of the frame, was a darkskinned man. The blue jumpsuits and prison bars made it pretty clear that he was was one of the men on trial in tripoli. So i went looking for every photo i could find of these men on trial. And, there, in one of them behind Abdullah Senussi, the former intelligence chief was the darkskinned man. The more i looked, the more photos i found of him. I captured these images and sent them to musbah eter in berlin. He said this was indeed the bomb expert, abu agela, 100 . It was hard to believe i was now looking at the man id been trying to find for so many years. But i still wanted more confirmation. So i connected with a human rights worker whod been monitoring the trials in libya. Hi ken. Dornstein hey, how are you . We can attempt cameras, but im not sure its gonna last. Dornstein i told her who i was looking for. At first, she couldnt find abu agelas name on the list, but then. Wait, wait, wait. I have a name. Its just written slightly differently. Dornstein what does it look like to you . I think its defendant number 28 in this case. So his first name is abu aujilah. That would be his first name. And, to my understanding, the biggest case against him seems to be bomb making in relation to the 2011 conflict. Charges of setting up bombs in vehicles. Dornstein wow. Well, that sounds like him. Yeah. I would say thats for sure the same person. Dornstein the main trial of these guys, theres 36, 37 of them, and theyre there for what is more or less a show trial. Right. Dornstein thats Abdullah Senussi. But if you look behind Abdullah Senussi. Theres a darkskinned man. Dornstein theres a darkskinned man. You pull all the images, and you keep finding a darkskinned man. Right. Dornstein but i still would like to know more. So, i said, theres 36 men on trial. Is there a charge sheet here . Yeah, what are they charged with . Dornstein number 28 on the charge sheet. And i translate it, and you can even grab it, and put it into google translate, and it abujilah masoud. And the charge is bomb making. My goodness. From a moral standpoint, and from an administration of justice standpoint, i can see no good reason not to pursue this. Thats not to say youre not gonna run into a brick wall. Dornstein im interested in the story that connects la belle, lockerbie. So im mainly responsible for collecting evidence. Dornstein well, thats really what im interested in. I made contact with a german lawyer who had extensive files on libyan terror operations. Im deeply interested in all the nitty gritty of who did what, and theres one person whose name comes up. Whats his name . Dornstein massud abu agela. Yeah, yeah. We were checking the files, but we havent found anything on this name. So what i would suggest is that we meet each other. Dornstein the lawyer was willing to help me track the bomb expert, abu agela, who, he said, was still wanted for the disco bombing. The lawyer was also interested in the link to lockerbie. In both cases, the key witness would turn out to be the lawyers client, musbah eter. Since my last trip to berlin, i learned the u. S. Government had contacted eter. Theyd apparently heard about the link id found between him, the libyan bomb expert, and lockerbie. I believe the Law Enforcement people, they are motivated and take it for serious. Dornstein Andreas Schulz is musbah eters lawyer. He was careful not to reveal too many details of the ongoing investigation. Well, the competent authorities in the u. S. Is the f. B. I. For this case. And that means the f. B. I. Was here. Dornstein about lockerbie . Recently, yes. But the main problem is time. Time is running against the investigation, because these people are at a certain age. But, you know, this is in the hands of the u. S. Authorities. If you put all the power and capability the u. S. Has, i think that there are always ways to get your hands on culprits of lockerbie. So its a question of the political will. Dornstein since the bombing in 1988, the f. B. I. Has maintained lockerbie as an open case. But, to my knowledge, they never found a witness with real firstd information about the plot. That is, until they apparently became aware of my reporting about musbah eter, then requested to meet with him several times at the u. S. Embassy in berlin. And it was in these meetings, i later found out, that eter offered new details about lockerbie. Eter told the f. B. I. That he had no doubt that lockerbie was carried out by libyan intelligence. He said the operation was led by said rashid, who spoke often about the need to avenge the u. S. Bombing of tripoli with at least double the casualties. During the year before lockerbie, eter said, rashid hatched a plan to take down a u. S. Plane. He said Abdel Baset Al Megrahi was part of these early discussions, and would be a key member of the team that would carry it out. Most significantly, eter said he had conversations with the technical expert who he worked with on the disco bombing, abu agela. And that abu agela personally told him that hed helped carry out lockerbie. Abu agela apparently also took responsibility for la belle and the bombing of a french passenger plane that killed 170 people. If hes said these things, and there are facts to back up some of the things he says, and it sounds like there are, i dont know why they would not want to bring that to court. If theres somebody alive today that was involved in this, and theres knowledge of that, we should be going after them. We should be going after them. We would have gone after them in 1991, if. Especially if we had this kind of information. We would have indicted, certainly would have indicted him. Dornstein when it came to abu agela, the original lockerbie investigators did gather important evidence that they were never able to use against him. This evidence centered around the airport in malta, just off the libyan coast, where the bomb was said to have originated. Here they found the landing card that showed abu agela had entered malta the week before the bombing, complete with the passport number that matched the c. I. A. And stasi records. They even had abu agelas fingerprints. Then they found the passenger list for the flight that abu agela took home to tripoli the day of the bombing, possibly after helping arm the device that was then sent onto flight 103. Joining abu agela on that flight was Abdel Baset Al Megrahi, who was traveling under a known alias. All of this evidence was gathered years ago, but it took musbah eters statements in berlin to apparently tie it all together and potentially generate the first new charges in the case in some 25 years. The more we go deeper into this, the more we realize we were always on the right track. We were always right about this. Dornstein right. How does that make you feel like. Where are we now . Dornstein i dont know. Its gone about as far as i can go. What happened inside that embassy, thats out of my hands and eters now potentially a witness in a federal case. Hes not a guy in my movie any more. I think youve pushed as hard as you can push. Maybe this is as far as you can go, so. Dornstein the whole purpose of finding them was to come face to face, sit there with someone and say, you know you killed my brother, and he was a real person, and i loved him and other people loved him. Yeah. Dornstein and you shouldnt have done that. Yeah. Terrorists killed your brother and my friend. I dont know that we can cause them to feel accountable or to feel shame for what it is that they produced. They ended his life and there were maybe 270 other david dornsteins who were aboard that particular flight and were not going to bring those people back. I think about him constantly. I think about what was lost when he was lost and how lucky i was to have known david dornstein. I mean, here are all sorts of ways to pursue meaning from tragedy. And killing david on that plane, the only way i can make sense of it is. I i cant make sense of it dornstein im sure there are people in my life who are thinking, its not healthy for you to go on chasing libyans, chasing some kind of truth that wont bring your brother back, and doesnt allow you to live your life fully. Do you go on . Thats what youre asking. Do i go on . I think only if you can rein it in sufficiently not to allow it to destroy your existing family and your future family and your future happiness, because you cant bring back the people you lost. Dornstein right. Ive done everything i could. These days, dr. Jim swire still maintains his campaign for a new inquiry into the bombing. He Still Believes that much of the prosecution case against megrahi and the libyans doesnt hold up to scrutiny. I want you to see the things that you might not be aware of that raise questions for me. What i found is that. I walked dr. Swire through the trail of papers that led me to the man i believed to be the lockerbie bomb expert. Abu agela masud. And i tried to explain how this bomb expert Abu Agela Masud was tied to the man whose innocence dr. Swire has been fighting for over the years. So, megrahi is traveling with this person Abu Agela Masud before the bombing, and its hard for me to imagine megrahi himself wasnt involved. Mmhmm. Dornstein this person is a known bomb expert traveling with megrahi the day of lockerbie. Mmm. Dornstein if this story that im putting together here were true, it would challenge a lot of what you have come to believe. Mmm. I dont know what to make of that. But, on the other hand, im not the sort of guy who wants to sit around and watch this sort of thing dismissed as not worth pursuing simply because it doesnt match what we think we know. Buyouve got to take it to the next step, im afraid. Great to see you. Dornstein thank you. Terrific. Over the course of the year after this meeting, dr. Swire continued to fight against the original verdict in the lockerbie case. And i continued to develop evidence about the libyan bomb expert, abu agela. As i gathered more information, i shared it all with dr. Swire and he always responded in a very thoughtful way. In the end, he allowed that abu agela and others in the qaddafi inner circle may have played a role in lockerbie, but he remained wholly committed to one core belief that his friend Abdel Baset Al Megrahi was innocent. Megrahi himself was now dead, of course. And so was the likely mastermind of the bombing, said rashid. And Abdullah Senussi . The former intelligence chief has been on trial in tripoli. And in the summer of 2015, he was finally enced. Abdullah mohammed senussi. In news from libya, the former head of intelligence and eight others have been sentenced to death for committing war crimes during. Dornstein abu agela was sentenced as well. He was given ten years for making bombs during the libyan revolution. But thus far, he faces no charges for his possible role in lockerbie. I mean, the issue of lockerbie, the biggest victim is the truth. The simple truth. Forget about indictments, about who goes to jail, who does what. Its the simple truth of what happened. Why. Because nobody has a stake in telling you the truth. Dornstein the f. B. I. And the Justice Department say they cant comment publicly about the lockerbie case, which remains an ongoing investigation. And though its been some 25 years since they last filed charges in the case, they maintain that theyve been working aggressively to bring those responsible for the bombing of pan am flight 103 to justice. I think that david would be proud of you for both keeping his memory alive but also by doing something that is very much in the spirit of what david would have done had he been in your shoes. I hope that when this project is done, you will close this chapter and move on with your life and keep davids memory alive, particularly by communicating all of the best things about him to your children. 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